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Old 01-03-2009, 11:35 AM   #1
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hi people...

id like to buy a puppie from tom garners dynomite...
i think he is the best adress to take a pitbull...

but i saw that he breeds dynomite x muy malos...
muy malos is dynomites sister!

is that inbred or not?
is that not problematic that they are siblings?
would they not have any genetic problems or be crazy?

what you think will the dogs are healthy? or may i take a breed from dynomite with an oder bitch?

http://tom-garner-kennels.com/peds-c...os%20Pups.html
here you can see the pedigree!

are chinaman/frisco dogs
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:19 PM   #2
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The thing with inbreeding or even linebreeding is, if it's done by an intelligent breeder who researchs bloodlines,health & tempermant tests his stock, etc; this sort of breeding can amplify the excellent traits of his animals. On the other hand (and where line/inbreeding) gets the bad rap is, it can also intensify the bad traits. What a responsible breeder is trying to accomplish with this sort of thing is to double (or more) the chances of increasing the good traits he/she is trying to produce. Done correctly, this will increase conformity in the bloodline. (Think of lab rats/mice - most of the ones used in laboratories have been bred like that for hundreds of generations, it makes the genetics almost identical for accurate testing). Although, I wouldn't go that far with dogs, I have owned and bred (with help from a mentor/breeder) my own dogs, not quite as closely as siblings, but uncle - niece, etc. I have owned a product of a sibling breeding and he was a wonderful animal who performed well. His parents were littermates, the breeder health and temperment tested them and the grandparents, the pups all went to people he knew well so he could check on them. That dog was probably one of the most stable dogs I ever owned.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:36 PM   #3
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and the dogs lifes healthy?
they havent problems?

i have a friend, he had a dog, that was inbreed (son and mother)...
after 2 years the dog was crazy!
he got a brain tumor!
and than he dies
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:41 PM   #4
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Dogs that are properly bred from a carefully orchestrated homozygous gene pool can turn out just fine.
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:51 PM   #5
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tom garner knows what he is doing he is a good breeder
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:33 PM   #6
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Tom knows what he is doing... I actually looked at a breeding from him very similar to that. Dynomite is a bad ass dog
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:37 PM   #7
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is that not problematic that they are siblings?
would they not have any genetic problems or be crazy?
check this thread out for inbreeding with dogs info.

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=10790
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:43 PM   #8
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bad ass dog?

you think dynomite isnt good?
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:46 PM   #9
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does bad ass means good or not?
my english isnt good sorry for my questions
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:47 PM   #10
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does bad ass means good or not?
my english isnt good sorry for my questions
Yes, in American slang "bad ass" is very good.
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:50 PM   #11
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can someone tell why tom garners dogs are so attractive for everyone?

everybody i knows says tom garners dogs are top!

whats so special on his dogs?

they arent so big....
they arent so heavy...


whats the different to the other dogs or say why you would buy one of his dogs?
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:54 PM   #12
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can someone tell why tom garners dogs are so attractive for everyone?

everybody i knows says tom garners dogs are top!

whats so special on his dogs?

they arent so big....
they arent so heavy...


whats the different to the other dogs or say why you would buy one of his dogs?
Because he still breeds the APBT true to form. The APBT is not supposed to be big or heavy. Those "pit bulls" that are being bred now to be big & heavy are becoming their own breed, called the American Bully.
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:59 PM   #13
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If I had the money and space, I would definitely get a puppy off of that breeding.
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:02 PM   #14
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This is why I think the breeding should be left to the professionals and would never consider breeding dogs myself. There's so much to it, you have to be so careful what you breed with what, or else you get a bad bunch of puppies. I know that BYBing goes on everyday, and there are way too many puppies out there, but as for me, I will adopt from a rescue... I would love to have a "quality" pup one day from a reputable breeder, but knowing that they don't come cheap, I probably wouldn't ever be able to afford one. Right now, I don't have room for another dog, but when I get ready for one, I'm sure I will look around and either get a rescue or one from somebody that comes highly recommended.
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:13 PM   #15
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ok...
but the pitbulls example rednose, some of them are very big and athletic and had a verrrrryyy big head!

wont they be stronger and powerfuller than a apbt?
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:53 PM   #16
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Red nose is just a color of the dog's nose. It's not a different "type" of pit bull.

Here are some real American Pit Bull Terriers.

Marty's Lil' Bit


Boogieman's Gr. Ch. Bronson


Ch. Chinaman ROM (this is one of the dog's in the pedigree you posted).


Garner's Frisco


Garner's Ch. Dynomite



When you talk about "big dogs"? Do you mean these?
Notorious Juan Gotti


Ch. Razor Edge's Purple Rose of Cairo


Is so, those are American Bullies, not American Pit Bull Terriers.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:01 PM   #17
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no i dont mean this dogs...

i show you sometyp of that who i search...




or this rednose... he has a veryyyy big head and he looks much stronger



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Old 01-03-2009, 10:06 PM   #18
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That one red nose looks like he has a bit of American Staffordshire Terrier influence in him.

Examples of an Amstaff: *Note: These are also not APBTs.**


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Old 01-03-2009, 10:07 PM   #19
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they look much stronger that this following three:

Attachment 2850
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the heads of this 3 are very smull and for me they dont look like real pitbulls....

why the others have some bigger head an look better?

if i want to buy me a dog, can i see as pup how he will look like, i mean can i see at his head if he would look like how i want?

or is that not possible?
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:09 PM   #20
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Why does the dog you get have to have a certain sized head?
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