[Noilemaillilm]

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what changes (warps) the space-time fabric; what causes that fabric to be depressed by mass ?

This mechanism is exactly the same as Newton.....
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You seem to be ignoring history Zarky.
Newtonian mechanics could not explain the Mercury anomaly...
GR did.
Newtonian could not explain the apparent shift of a star's position during an eclipse and as observed by Arthur Eddington in 1919.
GR again explained it exactly.
In more recent times probes with the most accurate gyroscopes ever made [known as Gravity Probe-B] showed that not only did mass warp space/time, it also twisted it [Lense Thirring Effect]


Plenty of evidence for the curvature and warpage and twisting of space/time in the presence of mass.
That's exactly how the cookie crumbles...no question about it.


Whereas of course, Newtonian mechanics describes gravity as an attraction between two masses, that varies inversely as the square of the distance between them.

Zarky, how long have you been pushing ESGT and all your other way out hypothesis you need to support your house of cards?

Have you made any progress at all?
Is the whole world against you still?

[casinochniks]

Looks to me like Zarky is an expert at pulling.

[Acrogeokickic]

Looks to me like Zarky is an expert at pulling.

From someone whose handle shortens to tug ...

[jokiruss]

Hmmm ... some searching on the terms gravityand electrodynamic led me into the wondrous world of one Dr Charle W "Bill" Lucas. Very strange place.

Is this the Dr Bill Lucas?

[dWSOj26H]

Hmmm ... some searching on the terms gravityand electrodynamic led me into the wondrous world of one Dr Charle W "Bill" Lucas. Very strange place.

bloody hell.
I followed that and got to this.

This one for roughbarked, http://biblicalgeology.net/blog/opals-in-weeks/

plus links to other stuff, the Glasshouse Mountains and Carnarvon gorge all formed by Noahs flood. Any bit of geology that might have had something to do with water is a result of "the flood".

[drugimpotence]

Is this the Dr Bill Lucas?

That's the one. Common sense Science, which probably ain't.

[occallExtet]

That's the one. Common sense Science, which probably ain't.

A very quick look at it shows it to be somewhat lacking in the old common sense department.

[gopsbousperie]

bloody hell.
I followed that and got to this.

This one for roughbarked, http://biblicalgeology.net/blog/opals-in-weeks/

plus links to other stuff, the Glasshouse Mountains and Carnarvon gorge all formed by Noahs flood. Any bit of geology that might have had something to do with water is a result of "the flood".

Ermahgerd ... Andrew Snelling!! Go and disinfect your brain immediately.

[mikeydesignzinc]

That's the one. Common sense Science, which probably ain't.

Dear oh dear oh dear

So few papers, so much Youtube

[nancywind]

In more recent times probes with the most accurate gyroscopes ever made [known as Gravity Probe-B] showed that not only did mass warp space/time, it also twisted it [Lense Thirring Effect]
Plenty of evidence for the curvature and warpage and twisting of space/time in the presence of mass. Well yes, these effects are evidence... but not of space-time

[xsVfF9Em]

And in medicine, when muscles pull, actually the muscle myofibrils are PUSHING against each other.

No, the actin head groups are undergoing an angular change in conformation in relative motion to the myosin chains that they are attached to. The heads attach to contact points, pull themselves by bending the actin-myosin fibrils into a tighter hook conformation pulling the z plates (muscle unit end plates) closer together. This in NOT a push.

[naturaherbal]

// Of course the point to this discussion is NOT SEMANTICS

Seems false.

[johnuioyer]

Well yes, these effects are evidence... but not of space-time

Well, come on, enlighten us.

[Wmshyrga]

Every time Zarky posts to this thread I imagine he is yelling "PULL" and launching himself through the air to be shot down like a clay pigeon by the SSSFer that actually have a grasp of reality.

[qwerty1]

// by the SSSFer that actually have a grasp of reality.

Unlikely, there aren't [m]any of those.

[apatteopipt]

here is a biochemical process that uses force (pressure) to prise open double stranded RNA
The research, which was published this week in Nature, found that DEAD-box proteins, which are ancient enzymes found in all forms of life, function as recycling "nanopistons." They use chemical energy to clamp down and pry open RNA strands, thereby enabling the formation of new structures.

In all cellular organisms RNA (ribonucleic acid) plays a fundamental role in the translation of genetic information into the synthesis of proteins. DEAD-box proteins are the largest family of what are known as " RNA helicases," which unwind RNA.

"Once the second domain is latched on to the RNA," said Mallam, "and the first has got its ATP, the 'piston' comes down. It has a sharp edge that drives between the two strands and also grabs on one strand and bends it out of the way."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-ancient...nwind.html#jCp more at site

Biochemical machines, and if you look into it, they will all operate on the same principles.

[mortgrhhh]

DEAD-box proteins, which are ancient enzymes found in all forms of life

"Once the second domain is latched on to the RNA," said Mallam, "and the first has got its ATP, the 'piston' comes down. It has a sharp edge that drives between the two strands and also grabs on one strand and bends it out of the way." Explain bio/nano machines... with evolution !!

Basically, biochemical processes such as this, confirm that all that lives is one single superorganism... LIFE
that grows, detoxifies and differentiates... and has its own life cycle... and Earth is at the seeding phase.

[lovespellszz]

This is a teaser

We all know we can PUSH things around.....

But can we PULL things at all ??

Certainly the English Language has the word pull


WOW......

Unfortunately for any act of PULL, the puller needs to become ONE WITH the object being pulled... some type of secure attachment must be made... eg fingers behind the door knob.

And in medicine, when muscles pull, actually the muscle myofibrils are PUSHING against each other.

There is no mechanism where pull can transmit a force.... let alone gravity propagation

Selectively demonstrating that certain actions usually called a "pull" might actually be better described as a "push" in particular interpretations of those words does not indicate anything about the appropriateness of using the word "pull" to describe the action of gravity.

[Borrinas]

If you wish to demonstrate that gravity does not "pull", you are required to provide evidence that gravity does not "pull", or at least a testable hypothesis which would prove this. You can not base an argument about the physical nature of one of the fundamental interactions on semantics and unrelated phenomenon.

[seatlyled]

Warning: unsolicitated advice follows -

After reading the rest of the thread, and from what I know of you from past posts, Zarkov; you have a keen mind but you are woefully deficient in the ability to organize your thoughts and musings in a manner which coheres with reality.

Fortunately, this is a skill which can be learned. Start with the Wikipedia article on critical thinking and go from there.