[Zarekylin75]

But then you'd end up employing them to agree with you.

Submit and approve their time-sheets via fax or by internet/email. Record that process. The fax or emails received by the agencies would be time and date stamped.

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

Proving continuity might be enhanced by two cameras filming each other and the experiment.

And lots of mirrors.





Why I had this very setup the other night in my bedr.... umm... nothing, move along.

[CuittisIL]

If you are using a digital camera to record this event then the time and date are embedded in the exif data.

[QqJamxqP]

Submit and approve their time-sheets via fax or by internet/email. Record that process. The fax or emails received by the agencies would be time and date stamped.

All that would prove is that the time-sheets were sent at a particular time. Meanwhile, the people you employed could come back later (for more money) to re-witness the experiment.

I think you need a large number of independent witnesses, rather than a small number of paid ones.

Conflict of interest and all that.

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

If you are using a digital camera to record this event then the time and date are embedded in the exif data.

Just be sure to use the setup menu to create the time and date you want the exif data to show...

[Thomas12400]

Just be sure to use the setup menu to create the time and date you want the exif data to show...

Or edit the exif data later.

[Zarekylin75]

If you are using a digital camera to record this event then the time and date are embedded in the exif data.

Oh, this is interesting. So a digital camera can be set to certain time and date and any break or discontinuity can be found out?

[BokerokyBan]

You can fake anything, temps etc but there is a burden of proof and depends on criteria for example balance of probabilities is one, reasonable doubt another. You can claim all the temps were in on the con, but that is getting into truther territory where everything can be denied because everything can be faked.

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

Film would be harder to manipulate than analouge video which would be harder than digital video.

[Zarekylin75]

Ok - so calibrate the digital camera by starting at some public and verifiable event, keep it rolling for the drive back to the lab, and then mount on the tripod and record the experiment.

Perhaps hang out outside Parliament and snuggle in on one of the doorstep interviews with the rest of the media scrum, then bugger off.

[QqJamxqP]

You can claim all the temps were in on the con, but that is getting into truther territory where everything can be denied because everything can be faked.

I would have thought that hiring people especially for the experiment is a pretty basic flaw. No need to go into truther territory when you're paying people to be witnesses.

[BokerokyBan]

Film would be harder to manipulate than analouge video which would be harder than digital video.

Yes, I recall at one time some digital sneaky squirrel cameras were purchased but could not be used because the digital could be manipulated and the guidelines and standards had not caught up to the new technology. Early adopters can be caught out.

[BokerokyBan]

I would have thought that hiring people especially for the experiment is a pretty basic flaw. No need to go into truther territory when you're paying people to be witnesses.

I thought they were independent witnesses and not actually aware of the experiment. More someone that can verify that yes, on such and such a date they were employed to move some boxes or something. But the key word is independent, anyone can be paid or bribed to embellish which is why I posted before about the scales of value in evaluating evidence.

[QqJamxqP]

I thought they were independent witnesses and not actually aware of the experiment. More someone that can verify that yes, on such and such a date they were employed to move some boxes or something. But the key word is independent, anyone can be paid or bribed to embellish which is why I posted before about the scales of value in evaluating evidence.

But they're not independent if they are being paid.

[Zarekylin75]

But they're not independent if they are being paid.

Ok, let's change it to a free event for volunteers, with a free afternoon tea and scones - advertised at all the local over-55s places who want to get out of the house for a couple of hours.

[BokerokyBan]

But they're not independent if they are being paid.

I am not saying it is ideal but re the proposed solution, if 10 temps are interviewed and assessed as telling the truth when they say they were hired to move boxes for eg (not hired to be witnesses) then the interviewer can, depending on whatever burden, it can be found that yes they were the people in the background and that they verified being there at the time.

If all you want is a witness then hire a judge or someone of impeccable propriety.

It was more (I guessed from context) about recreating a streetscene where people can provide the same evidence of being there at a certain date and time but without having a street scene available.

[Zarekylin75]

I have it!

Free bus service for the pensioners too and from the event for all those with a public transport smartcard. Hire a bus from the public transit authority with smartcard reader - bus number can be verified. Have them swipe their cards on and off (as is usual practice) it can be verified these people were on that bus on those times. Record their faces as witnesses.

Disclaimer - may not work with Myki in Melbourne, but other cities have working smartcard systems.

[DoroKickcrofe]

An indoor shot could be proven to filmed no earlier than a particular date/time, but I do not think you could include proof that it was not filmed after a particular date.

The only "absolute" and unalterable date/time reference we have on this planet are star positions. The event would need to be filmed outdoors at night with the stars in shot, (and you could provide enough proof that the footage was, indeed, unaltered) to do what you wanted.

[DoroKickcrofe]

I have it!

Free bus service for the pensioners too and from the event for all those with a public transport smartcard. Hire a bus from the public transit authority with smartcard reader - bus number can be verified. Have them swipe their cards on and off (as is usual practice) it can be verified these people were on that bus on those times. Record their faces as witnesses.

Disclaimer - may not work with Myki in Melbourne, but other cities have working smartcard systems.

That just proves that those people went to that particular place on a particular time/date, not what happened there. Your video footage you release could have been filmed weeks after the event. (or even before it)

[BokerokyBan]

The only "absolute" and unalterable date/time reference we have on this planet are star positions. The event would need to be filmed outdoors at night with the stars in shot, (and you could provide enough proof that the footage was, indeed, unaltered) to do what you wanted.

Bit cold this time of year, best doing it in a planetarium.