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Old 01-20-2009, 06:23 PM   #1
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:38 PM   #2
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Didn't King foresee a time when a man would be judged not by the colour of his skin, but the content of his character?

96+ percent of blacks voted for Obama. 'Nuff said.
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Old 01-20-2009, 07:41 PM   #3
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He was born August 4. And we need a federal holiday in August, so get it done

But probably after he dies. Bad taste to do it before that.
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Old 01-20-2009, 08:11 PM   #4
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96+ percent of blacks voted for Obama. 'Nuff said. A similar percentage voted for Kerry. Something like 90%, IIRC. But I'm sure you know this, and have chosen to ignore it because it screws up your narrative.

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Old 01-20-2009, 08:34 PM   #5
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What amazes me is that 4% of Black voters thought for some reason that it made sense for a black person to vote for today's Republican party.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:23 PM   #6
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If its, like, Alan Keyes, yep.

If it was Colin Powell, no.
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:39 PM   #7
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If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
What "heat" is there for me in you being a racist douchebag?

If they want to call white people racist for not voting for Obama, then black people voting for Obama are just as racist. Who here said white people not voting for Obama was necessarily due to racism?

You started the racial stuff in this thread. Holy ****, you're delving to new lows.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:04 AM   #8
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What "heat" is there for me in you being a racist douchebag? You are the only one tossing uncalled invectives.

I'd vote for Keyes, without thinking twice about it. He's a good man.

If a black man or a white man for that matter, votes for Obama because he's black, then that's wrong. I don't see why it's racist to point out how people fall short of MLK's ideal of a colourblind society.

Who here said white people not voting for Obama was necessarily due to racism? Heard it for months. I've not forgotten. I'd like to see apologies from folks for calling people who had legitimate beefs with Obama racists, including you now, since you've called me racist.

You started the racial stuff in this thread. Holy ****, you're delving to new lows. Where did I use the term racist? I simply said they did not uphold MLK's ideals. You were the first to call me racist.
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Old 01-21-2009, 12:40 AM   #9
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Have you missed the fact that his daughter is absolutely disgusted by Obama?
From election night:

In the Ebenezer Baptist Church, Mr King's family church, thousands of people congregated to watch the election unfold on huge television screens while being entertained by famous gospel singers. Outside police roadblocks were formed to control the huge crowds gathering to witness history unfold.

The congregation was whipped into a fever throughout the evening with specially-written songs including "we started at the outhouse... going to the White House... Yes we can, yes we can."

Mr King's daughter, the Reverend Bernice King, was one of the first to call the contest when shortly after 9pm she urged the crowds to change their chant from "yes we can" to "yes we have". http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ngs-dream.html

From an interview yesterday:

Tammy Haddad: Is [your father's] dream realized with the inauguration of Barack Obama?

Bernice King: I think Barack Obama's inauguration is a significant milestone in the work and vision that my father cast when he delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech. I believe that we still have a lot of work to do, which relates to racial equality and economic equality and even in the other areas my father talked about: the triple evils of poverty, racism and militarism. . . . We have a lot of work to do in that regard in this nation and around the world.

TH: Does it turn a corner?

BK: . . . Oh, yes, I think the inauguration actually lays the foundation and the groundwork for continuing my father's unfinished work. I think President-elect Obama has created a sincere and genuine atmosphere of change. It forwards people an opportunity to really step into that change, to look at the ways they perhaps have been doing things that have hindered the progress of America, whether it's corporate, or whether it's educational, or whether it's any other kind of institution, or even individually. . . . We've moved to a new chapter in our history. We cannot, and I say this loudly, we cannot go back to business as usual. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011802104.html

Yep, just disgust a-go-go there.

Once again I ask, as I do in so many threads:

1) Are you stupid, a liar, or both?
2) Is there anything -- anything -- you actually do know about American history and politics?
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Old 01-21-2009, 02:42 AM   #10
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Yep, just disgust a-go-go there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alveda_King

I was thinking of his neice.

Once again I ask, as I do in so many threads:

1) Are you stupid, a liar, or both?
2) Is there anything -- anything -- you actually do know about American history and politics? And you owe me an apology.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:02 AM   #11
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How was I lying?

I admitted I was mistaken, not about her politics, but about whether she was a daughter of his.

My point still stands.

I'd like an apology for the liar and the comment about 'I know nothing about American politics'.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:14 AM   #12
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I'd like an apology for the liar and the comment about 'I know nothing about American politics'.
You'd like an apology for things that are all true? Maybe you were just "mistaken" and not "lying" (like I'd believe that), but you've shown yourself to lie and display a stunning ignorance about American politics since you've posted here.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:25 AM   #13
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Ben: Personally, I would characterize your knowledge of American politics as, um, convenient to your agenda.

Some good examples within this thread would be your laughable and unsupported contention that MLK would vote for Keyes. Even better is your TOTALLY RACIST contention that the Great Society programs somehow singled out blacks as beneficiaries of social programs and somehow imprisoned them to the Dem "plantation." Those programs -- passed by Congress, not mandated by a President -- benefited poor whites every bit as much. Yet the white underclass has voted -- against their pocketbooks -- with the GOP Southern Strategy on a consistent basis.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:42 AM   #14
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Where have I lied?
You lied on this thread. Because, frankly, I don't believe you when you said you made a "mistake". You tend to make a lot of "mistakes" in political/US History discussions. I think you are trying to sneak a lie in and then have to back track when you get caught.
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:51 AM   #15
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Benefitted? It's a disaster. White folks aren't quite as badly off with their families, but they are much worse off now then they were 40 years ago.
Liar:

http://www.measuringworth.org/usgdp/

Plugging in Real GDP per capita for 1968 to 2007 (last year they have data on file) gets me:

1968 $18,196
1969 $18,573
1970 $18,391
1971 $18,771
1972 $19,555
1973 $20,484
1974 $20,195
1975 $19,961
1976 $20,822
1977 $21,565
1978 $22,526
1979 $22,982
1980 $22,666
1981 $23,007
1982 $22,346
1983 $23,146
1984 $24,593
1985 $25,382
1986 $26,024
1987 $26,664
1988 $27,514
1989 $28,221
1990 $28,429
1991 $28,007
1992 $28,556
1993 $28,940
1994 $29,741
1995 $30,128
1996 $30,881
1997 $31,886
1998 $32,833
1999 $33,904
2000 $34,759
2001 $34,659
2002 $34,866
2003 $35,403
2004 $36,356
2005 $37,080
2006 $37,750
2007 $38,148 (using 2000 prices)

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Old 01-21-2009, 03:56 AM   #16
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Gah, can you people please stop quoting Ben? Haven't you figured out by now that arguing with him never, ever does the least bit of good?

The ignore list, it does nothing!
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Old 01-21-2009, 03:58 AM   #17
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:04 AM   #18
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The fact that such simple reading comprehension and logic escapes Ben only strengthens the case for Door #1.

This isn't exactly an LSAT-level question here.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:07 AM   #19
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Where have I lied? If Rufus has proof that I lied, then I'd like to see that. Otherwise I'd like an apology from him.
edit - Alas, Darius beat me to in. Still:

I never said you lied. I said that lying was one of the two possible explanations for your posts, the other being stupidity.

I note that you failed to grasp the difference between that and being called a liar.

I also note that you're not challenging the assumption that you may be truthful, but stupid.

And, of course, I note that those two previous points might be related.

Finally, I'll ask you to again recall the thread in which you asserted that, because I had misspelled (by one letter) the name of a relatively obscure court case (Boynton vs. VA, here spelled correctly), I didn't know anything about the topic at hand.

Your rules, Ben: a simple mistake bespeaks your total ignorance and disqualifies your opinion from further consideration. Now, I'm with Imran -- I think you tend to either lie or talk out your ass, then backtrack when nailed -- but even if it was a simple mistake, surely your own credo demands that you go back to touching yourself while surfing US Immigration sites, or whatever it is you do when your not here.
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Old 01-21-2009, 04:07 AM   #20
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I also note that you're not challenging the assumption that you may be truthful, but stupid. I honestly don't care if you folks think I'm stupid or whatever. As I said, that's a matter of taste. I expect folks to see opinions that they disagree with as stupid, it's the natural reaction to being challenged.

Lying on the other hand is a different matter altogether. You made a very good point about King's daughter, and I'm surprised you didn't throw his wife out there as well. I expected that point.

I just don't believe that King's legacy is as cut and dried as some say it would be. It bothers me when I see folks say, "well of course King would support this", as I have with Obama. MLK was a very different man from Obama. This is why I quoted his neice. They are both taking his legacy and going in very different directions. That to me shows that the man isn't as easy to compartmentalise as some would think.

Do I believe he would be disgusted with the changes in society since the 60's? Yes. I think much of it would break his heart frankly.

Finally, I'll ask you to again recall the thread in which you asserted that, because I had misspelled (by one letter) the name of a relatively obscure court case (Boynton vs. VA, here spelled correctly), I didn't know anything about the topic at hand. That was my point. You dug up the case and misspelled it so I suspected you weren't very solid at all on the case. Had you not cited it, I wouldn't have cared, but if you cite something which I read and then find it's not very helpful, I'm going to say what I did. If you are going to go out of your way to cite something, at least make sure that you've read it, please. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Your rules, Ben: a simple mistake bespeaks your total ignorance and disqualifies your opinion from further consideration. It was quite a bit more then that, which you admitted. I'm not a stickler about typos and things like that, so long as the message is clear, that's the most important thing. When you go to cite a case and misspell it, that just made me wonder what was up.

Now, I'm with Imran -- I think you tend to either lie or talk out your ass, then backtrack when nailed -- but even if it was a simple mistake, surely your own credo demands that you go back to touching
yourself while surfing US Immigration sites, or whatever it is you do when your not here.
I don't know what you folks want more then your pound of flesh. I admitted my error. Far as I'm concerned the issue is over. I'd rather you folks focussed on the argument then on the person.

Does it make you feel better about yourself to say these things? I mean really? Why bother? Do you honestly think it will make me respect your opinions more?
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