[Abnorttrano]

Jesus is God. Duh.

[Rasklad]

Jesus is a pillock.


No idea what a pillock is, though.

[SinncmxM]

Japher, holy trinity.

Yeah, go to church and stuff, it won't hurt, but later on turn her into devil worshipping atheist. If you teach her now that there is no God, they can't make up their own minds later on so easy, if you go like 'yeah we do this church thing now', they can make it up later. Because they pick it up from the parents mostly anyway..

So... you can bring on the evil science things later on

Or you can hit her in the face and say 'don't cry, if you do, there is no Jesus'. Let her make up her mind if she believes or not. Faith has never been easy. First lesson, fist in the face.

[soyclocky]

If she doesn't want to go, I won't make her

[mikefertynnz]

No, which is why it is up to the parents what a child does.

And you do take children to things they don't want to go to.. to educate them (to art shows, or plays, etc.).

I think that Alexander's Horse would better understand your reasoning then some here, Japher.

Jon Miller

[unmalryAlalry]

Originally posted by Japher
One thing I've wondered for sometime now is; If God is God, and God is Lord, why the heck do people say Jesus is their lord and savior? I get the savior bit, but am confussed on the whole heirarchy. Did God give Jesus, his son, to the people to rule over them and then step aside? If so, then why do people still even bother with God? Because a religion works best if it tries to get people to believe what they want to believe. People want to believe in the story about Jesus because it makes them feel good. That's why Christianity is so effective.

[refdhbgtd]

Originally posted by Japher
Should I not even introduce her to it so that when she asks me about god and why people believe in it she has a better awnser than "I don't know, people are just stupid sometimes"? How about "People have a tendency to believe what they want to believe?"

[alecaf]

Thanks Lori


How about "People have a tendency to believe what they want to believe?" Kids ask a lot of "whys" and I don't have any of the answers as far as religion goes. I'd rather them be a non-believer than a skeptic.

[Gooracouppy]

And since religion was invented to answer unanswerable questions, you're in a non-ending U-turn.

Spec.

[pesty4077]

I told my son that Santa Claus wasn't real this last Christmas. He didn't believe me. He said, "why did I get all the presents I asked for?" So I showed him all the letters he wrote to Santa. Man, I'm cold sometimes.

[Anamehuskeene]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I told my son that Santa Claus wasn't real this last Christmas. He didn't believe me. He said, "why did I get all the presents I asked for?" So I showed him all the letters he wrote to Santa. Man, I'm cold sometimes. Lesson learned: Communists lie to you and manipulate you, then mock you when you learn the truth. They can't be trusted. Better look somewhere else for the truth...maybe this "Jesus" you've heard so much about?

Good job, Kid.

[ElcinBoris]

One thing I've wondered for sometime now is; If God is God, and God is Lord, why the heck do people say Jesus is their lord and savior? I get the savior bit, but am confussed on the whole heirarchy.

Did God give Jesus, his son, to the people to rule over them and then step aside? If so, then why do people still even bother with God? Two answers to this. We are told that when Jesus returns that he will rule over the earth and all the dominions therein. Hence the admission that Jesus is Lord. This is why the Nicene Creed says, "his kingdom will have no end."

Yet at the same time, God the Father is still God over everything while Christ is seated at the right hand of his throne in Heaven.

Secondly, there is the part that Elok was referring to about the Trinity. You have three persons in one Godhead, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. All are eternal, existing before all worlds; the Son is begotten of the Father while the Holy spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.

The reason we use words like 'father' and 'son' is by way of analogy. The relationship between God the Father and Christ is closest to the relationship between a father and a son. Both are of the same substance as one another, just as your children are human beings because they inherit this from you, the same is between Christ and God the Father.

Anyway, thank god I'm not Catholic; I wouldn't be able to figure out the whole idol worship thing of theirs, what with all the saints. Never understood the whole worshiping of Mary thing either.

Well if you are interested, the saints are just people like anyone else who lived holy lives and have been taken up into heaven already. They are no different then you or I. As for Mary, she is blessed through her Son, just as we are and given special blessings for being the theotokos, or God bearer. When Christ became incarnate, he did so of his Mother Mary, which is why she is honoured by Christians.

Catholics also believe three additional things, her assumption, immaculate conception and her sinlessness. They believe that because she was the Mother of God, that Christ honoured her by keeping her free of sin, hence her sinlessness through her life, her immaculate conception to keep her free of original sin and her bodily assumption, since she was free of sin, and the wages of sin are death. Since she did not sin, she could not die.

[halfstreet]

Beleiving Mary was without Sin goes against very basic beliefs for most Christians..

JM

[uwJzsM8t]

Japher, please don't indoctrinate your daughter with such nonsense. Give a proper upbringing with affection and the right amount of discipline...don't try and make up for it with brainwashing...

[incizarry]

This thread isn't about me, per se. It's about parents forcing religion on their kids...

[carline]

most people who find religion through ignorance end up in cults waiting for UFOs to take them to a planet where rivers flow with Kool-Aid.

[avappyboalt]

You aren't really seeing it then.

I would recommend going with your kids (to sunday school or wherever).. so you can see what they are being taught.

I don't think that you can show more than 1-2 cultural expereinces to your child during the formative years. More has to be up to them when they are a teenager (or older).

JM

[Pashtet]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
You aren't really seeing it then.

I would recommend going with your kids (to sunday school or wherever).. so you can see what they are being taught.

I don't think that you can show more than 1-2 cultural expereinces to your child during the formative years. More has to be up to them when they are a teenager (or older).

JM If a child is old enough to understand one set of of beliefs, they are old enough to understand any of them. And if you are going to only show one set of beliefs, that's pretty much the opposite of opening the mind.

[namaikaimvputka]

Originally posted by Japher
One thing I've wondered for sometime now is; If God is God, and God is Lord, why the heck do people say Jesus is their lord and savior? I get the savior bit, but am confussed on the whole heirarchy. Did God give Jesus, his son, to the people to rule over them and then step aside? If so, then why do people still even bother with God? Jesus is one of God's messengers, an important one. Or something. The whole messiah thing seems a bit like anthropomorphising God, if you ask me.

[mr.calisto]

Really? You can understand it in under an hour?

I don't think so.

Christianity makes a lot of sense to do in Western Society. I would guess Bhuddaism would make a lot of sense in eastern? Really depends on what is the dominant form of religious expression in your area. Or what intrigues you.

JM