[QxmFwtlam]

What is this 786?
Is there is any hadith about this?

[tactWeiccaf]

It stands for Bismillah. I don't think there's any Hadeeth about it. Makes me wonder when people started using it and if it was the practice of any seniors...

[allachakb]

Bismillah
Please tell me more about 786/92 and 786/92/110. I read somewhere that 92 and 110 are used by shia Muslims. Jazakallah.

I have encountered some local muslims putting 786/92 on an advert in a newspaper and I also saw another local brother put it on an invitation. When I asked him the significance he did not have a clue about the significance of the /92 part but said that 786 stands for Bismillah.
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Kindly refer below

We do not know what 92 signifies.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

The numerals 786 or any other numerals in no way represent 'Bismillaah
al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' or other Surahs of the noble Qur'aan and is not the
Sunnat way. If one fears abuse of the letter, etc. 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan
al-Raheem' should be recited verbally at the beginning of the letter which
will suffice for the written script. Refer attached

CAN NUMBER 786 REPLACE THE HOLY NAME OF GOD ?

The innovation of writing '786' replacing 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' has been adopted for a long time and the majority of the Ummah is still indulged in it inadvertently.
Apart from the common folk, the scholars also heed no attention towards it and to avoid disrespect to the Holy Words they use it in their letters and documents. They adopt it as 'correct' and 'better' way to invite Allah's blessings and have also started replacing the Holy Words by this number on their houses, offices, buildings, etc. Unfortunately, this tendency is gradually gaining momentum.
But, do we see this number instead of the Holy Words in the Holy Qur'aan? Or, can we write it there as well? can we remove 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' from the top of Surah al-Faatiha and replace it with the number 786? Obviously not.
If we study the Qur'aan, we see it carries the holy words in a letter from Prophet Solomon (pbuh) to the Queen of Sheeba - Bilqis - who was an infidel at that time. Even Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in his letters to different heads of states and governments, used the holy words at the top.
Therefore, whosoever uses 786 with the intention to obtain Allah's blessings, is a misguided person and any attempt to justify it, is ignorance.
More astonishing is that fact that '786' is an aggregation of the numbers of Hindu 'Lord Hari Krishna'.
H(a)iri Kr(i)shna
h-5, r-200, r-10, k-20, r-200, sh-300, n-50, a-1 = Aggregate of 786
Thus, the aggregate number of these letters (Hari Krishna) equals 786. This is also the case of 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem'. Therefore, it is necessary to avoid using this number to avoid the danger of being indulging in infidelity.
Islam's foundation is laid on the belief in Tawheed (oneness of God). If we associate anyone with Allah's exalted names orally or practically, we would be committing infidelity which is an unpardonable sin.
The Qur'aan warns us, one who finds a rival against Allah, Allah will never allow him to enter paradise, and his abode is the hell.
The letters by the Prophet (pbuh) to non-Muslim Kings and chiefs bear the holy words 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem'. This was also the case of his noble companions. Did the Prophet (pbuh) and his companions respect the Holy Words less than we do? Was the verse, 'Today I completed your religion for you', revealed to the Prophet (pbuh) or to the socalled scholars of our age who are all bent to amend the Divine principles.
Now, when it became known that '786' is written in place of Hindu, 'Lord Krishna', and has no significance in the Holy Qur'aan and Sunnah, it is obviously an innovation and goes against the Divine doctrine of 'Obey Allah and His Prophet'.
Similarly, some Muslims replace Allah's name by the number '66' and the Prophet's name by '92'. But if one ask, the number '420' is used against somebody's name and he is called '420'. Can he bear such an insult?
Calling someone by a nick name is a sin. Allah Ta'ala says, 'Don't call one another by nick names'. If Allah prohibits the use of nicknames for fellow human beings, how can He allow the use of such insulting replacement number for Himself and His Prophet (pbuh).
'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' great significance in the Qur'aan and Muslims are ordered to begin any work but in the names Allah, not in the number of '786' or any other substitution.

Fozail Aqdas Ghazali
The Message
Saudi Gazette, Friday - September 29 1995
http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=3165&act=view

[tactWeiccaf]

oh cripes! i never know any of that.

Just a question - before i request MODS to change my user name... i remember hearing somewhere that using 786 is fine coz its just like how ulama/saints use numbers in place of the real Qur'aanic ayah when writing taweez's etc. what happens there now...?

[xtc2d6u8]

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

It is permissible to use the number 786 on letterheads etc if there is a fear of the name Allah being disrespected. According to the numeric values mentioned in the famous lexicon, Fairuzul Lughaat, the number 786 symbolizes Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem if the numeric value of each letter in Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem is added up.



Every Arabic letter has a numeric value. For example the numeric value of the letter ( ب ) Ba is 2 and the numeric value of the letter م)) Meem is 40. The numeric values of the letters that make up Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem are illustrated below:



ب ------------------- 2
س ------------------- 60
م ------------------- 40
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ل ------------------- 30
ه ------------------- 5
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ر ------------------- 200
ح ------------------- 8
م ------------------- 40
ن ------------------- 50
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ر ------------------- 200
ح ------------------- 8
ي ------------------- 10
م ------------------- 40



Total: 786



بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم = 786



Note: The Alifألف) ) in the word Allah ألله)) and in the word Rahmaan رحمن)) has been excluded as these two Alif's are not written in Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem although they are pronounced when recited.



However, the practice of substituting Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem with the number 786 is not substantiated by the Ahadith nor the Qur'aan. This was merely the practice of some of our pious predecessors. It is not a sunnah practice nor does it hold any virtue.



And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. Suhail Tarmahomed,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

[Phlkxkbh]

It Was Mentioned Yesterday After The Friday Talk That

When Nabi Sallallahu Alayhi Wasalam Used To Send Letters To Muslims As Well As Non Muslims - He Used To Write The Full Bismillahirahmani Raheem.

He Also Added And Emphasised The Importance Of Writing Bismillahir Rahmani Raheem In Full Than Writing

Bismihi Ta'alaa Or

786

[tactWeiccaf]

from post No.#5 it appears that its permissible to use tho... and it was the practice of some of our pious predecessors..?

[xtc2d6u8]

According to fatwas, it is permissible to use 786 if there is harm for its protection,but it is better to write bismillah if there is nofear for its profanation.

Let me confirm how our elders used to write 786.

[anxpuna]

I wish we had more people in the Ummah who were at the forefront of things like the study of symbols and language (semiotics, linguistics) etc. I am nowhere near that, but its a glaring weakness for us collectively unfortunately...
Regarding 786... here is my personal take.
The number 7, when you see it? What are the things you associate with it? Most often, people who 'think' in English, will think of the word 'seven' first. Then they may think of seven objects, though that is very rare. Usually, you interpret the symbol '7' as representing to you the word 'seven'..
now when you see the word 'bismillah-hir-rahman-ir-rahim', most muslims know exactly what it means, but when you read it, its easy to forget that its not written in Arabic. In Arabic it exists in its true form, what you see is actually just a symbol, a symbol representing the arabic words... I hope you are following the logic here...
What I want to say is, it doesnt matter if it is '7', or 'sdojoigsoigjsoidj' or '&*^$&', all of those preceding characters are only symbols. If the symbol 7 means Bismillah to you, then thats what it means. Its silly to argue that 'bismillah' written in english characters like that is more authentic than '7'. the true authenticity lies in the Arabic writing of it alone, fully with all characters written.

The danger is in assigning some holy powers to 786. They are just symbols, but if you wish to write 786 and to you it carries some religious meaning, carry on, it reminds you of Allah swt does it not? I myself often write initials of Islamic words of great significance to me in my university notebooks etc. It helps me focus, and i dont want class mates etc all the time wondering why he's writing in Arabic, so i might write 'LHQWIB'. for 'La hawla wala quwatta illa billa'. It's just a symbol, thats all it is. I know its true form is in Arabic, but when I read it, it brings me back to Allah swt. And it reminds me, that all my learning, all of that, is coming to me by the grace of Allah swt.

[mrPronmaker]

Assalamu alaykum

When I write a letter which may end in a dustbin after its use, I start with "Bi-Ismihi"

[QxmFwtlam]

so i might write 'LHQWIB'. for 'La hawla wala quwatta illa billa'.

For full surah fathiha what do you write?

[anxpuna]

For full surah fathiha what do you write?

that is a strange question to ask. The basic premise of my response is that letters are only symbols. These symbols have fluid meanings depending on the eye of the interpretent. If when I read the letter G, what comes to my mind, is up to me. The Cherokee syllabary is a great example of this. The Cherokee indians lacked a writing at the time. So a great man amongst them, took the Roman Alphabet... and having no idea of what each letter stood for adapted them for cherokee use. If you want to read more about it, just google 'cherokee syllabary'.

As far as I am aware, and I would love some learned opinion on this, the true benefit in the reading of the Quran, lies in reading it in Arabic, in the Arabic script. Not through transliteration, but in the actual words. Those words have a meaning and power all of their own...

[wowwieholmes]

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

It is permissible to use the number 786 on letterheads etc if there is a fear of the name Allah being disrespected. According to the numeric values mentioned in the famous lexicon, Fairuzul Lughaat, the number 786 symbolizes Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem if the numeric value of each letter in Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem is added up.



Every Arabic letter has a numeric value. For example the numeric value of the letter ( ب ) Ba is 2 and the numeric value of the letter م)) Meem is 40. The numeric values of the letters that make up Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem are illustrated below:



ب ------------------- 2
س ------------------- 60
م ------------------- 40
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ل ------------------- 30
ه ------------------- 5
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ر ------------------- 200
ح ------------------- 8
م ------------------- 40
ن ------------------- 50
ا ------------------- 1
ل ------------------- 30
ر ------------------- 200
ح ------------------- 8
ي ------------------- 10
م ------------------- 40



Total: 786



بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم = 786



Note: The Alifألف) ) in the word Allah ألله)) and in the word Rahmaan رحمن)) has been excluded as these two Alif's are not written in Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem although they are pronounced when recited.



However, the practice of substituting Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem with the number 786 is not substantiated by the Ahadith nor the Qur'aan. This was merely the practice of some of our pious predecessors. It is not a sunnah practice nor does it hold any virtue.



And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Ml. Suhail Tarmahomed,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

Jazak Allah bro!

[QxmFwtlam]

What I want to say is, it doesnt matter if it is '7', or 'sdojoigsoigjsoidj' or '&*^$&', all of those preceding characters are only symbols. If the symbol 7 means Bismillah to you, then thats what it means. Its silly to argue that 'bismillah' written in english characters like that is more authentic than '7'.

Wa lai kum as salam

You said 7 means bismillah no that is why i asked what we can assign to surah fathiha to read it in salah.

In our area there are sim card dealers who are selling sim cards of number 786 in ending as a fancy number for ten time's more cost than actual cost. The dealer is non muslim. The card who has purchased is also non muslim, the non muslim is ready to purchase it for what ever the cost it is, if it is proved 786 is bilmillah hir rahman hir rahim then why non muslims are buying it crazily?

Are you happy if non muslim's buy it and use this number for public use?

Apart from this i have seen lot of misusing of number 786 but i will not tell to you.