[Lillie_Steins]

Posted by Canajew:


I know the US is dependent on Saudi oil, but Bush has not initiated or implemented any plans, policies, incentives or anything else to lessen this dependence, either now or in the future.


US is not dependent on Saudi oil!!!!! However, Saudi Oil production is dependend on US economic and political support. Only 13% of all oil to the US comes from ME. The largest supplier of US oil are the United States itself, Mexico, Venezuela, Russia and ME. Actually the largest buyers of oil from Saudi Arabia are Japan, China, India, and Europe.

And I am not sure why. Because the whole US oil conspiracy thing makes no sense. If Bush is only interested in $$ for the oil companies, his best bet would be to cut off Arab terror-oil (i.e. no more blood for oil) and allow prices to rise.

The need for alternatives is not a conspiracy but a money problem. Everyone, including Bush or the famed oil companies, understand that oil is just a matter of time. The problem is that the issue has to be appoached very carefully. Sudden policy changes can introduce economic consequences that would only increase oil dependence for generations.

[Big A]

oliver had to go out and hunt down this discredited source in order to make a point in another thread. He'd been asked to provide a source for an accusation he had made and not having any, he rushed off and grabbed this one, apparently not taking the time to consider the implications. He then posted it as a thread and, in the other thread, referred back to this thread.

Just goes to show what happens to those who speak of things they know nothing about.

[LottiFurmann]

1/ the elements given do no pertain to the whole case

Yes they do. Quite clearly.
especially the deep-rooted link between bush and the ben laden Do you hear the logic here, folks?

Let's use this lie as a stepping stone to another conspiration theory.

[Slonopotam845]

Once again, our French pet is slightly behind the times. From "Chapter 10: Wartime", from the 9/11 Commision's final report:

Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States

Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:

(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13,2001?
(2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals?
(3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary, every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.

Second, we found no evidence of political intervention.We found no evidence that anyone at the White House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired,and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency discussion at his level.Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI,Dale Watson ... to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people,and to get back to me.And if they had no objections,it would be fine with me.”Clarke added,“I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House.” Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11,he said he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it.The President andVice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media.None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.

Third,we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights. The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed. The Federal Aviation Administration representative working in the FBI operations center made sure that the FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart. The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.

Someone will have to wake up Ollie to the facts because I'm on his ignore list.
Consider him partially awake................if at all out of his coma yet.

[PhillipHer]

more about the "flight story" and the report



Scrutinizing the Saudi Connection
By GERALD POSNER

Published: July 27, 2004

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The report fails, however, to note that when the flights occurred, airspace was open only to a limited number of commercial - not private - planes. And it attributes incorrect positions maintained for months by the federal government, particularly the F.B.I., to a "misunderstanding" between federal and local law enforcement.

Moreover, the report makes no effort to determine whether the question of the special repatriation of high-ranking Saudis from the United States was discussed on the same day as the first flight in a private meeting - no aides permitted - between President Bush and the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan. The ambassador has denied that the subject was discussed in his conversation with the president. But did the commission ask the president about it when it had the opportunity to question him? If so, there is no indication in the report.

The report makes no mention that one of the Saudis on the flight that left Kentucky for Saudi Arabia was Prince Ahmed bin Salman. Nephew to King Fahd, Prince Ahmed was later mentioned to American interrogators in March 2002 by none other than Abu Zubaydah, a top Qaeda official captured that same month. The connection, if any, between a top operative of Al Qaeda and a leading member of the royal family has remained unresolved despite Saudi denials. Prince Ahmed cannot be asked: he died in 2002, at the age of 43, from complications from stomach surgery in a Riyadh hospital.


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the rest of the editorial gives other interesting points, shall I put more of this?