[eI7iqNot]

Well it wasn't the first time you have brought up the rape of Jewish women by Eastern Euros impacting the genetics of Ashkenazi Jews, and you seemed quite interested in getting sources from him to "explain something".

It really isn't worth it. If you want to be a Jew, then be one. If you want to resent Slavs for their past treatment of Jews, then do that. However, there's no point in trying to put admixture numbers under a microscope and build mass rape theories out of them.

[eladiopsislab]

Well it wasn't the first time you have brought up the rape of Jewish women by Eastern Euros impacting the genetics of Ashkenazi Jews, and you seemed quite interested in getting sources from him to "explain something".

It just made no sense to me how a lot of Jews had East European features when there were virtually no conversions and allegedly little influx of genes in that area. My family has clear West Asian influence (curly hair, swarthy skin, and the classic "Jew nose" for instance) as well so there's no doubt about that.

[Borrinas]

White should mean "of Germanic origin" / WASP, in my opinion.

Putting the lable on all europeans makes no sense to me. What's so "white" about say a person from southern Spain with jet-black hair and olive skin? An East Asian would be just as "white".

It's better to simply invent new terms for other people - Or better yet, stop using the color-reference altogether. It doesn't cover enough nuances anyway.

[XarokLasa]

White should mean "of Germanic origin" / WASP, in my opinion.

Putting the lable on all europeans makes no sense to me. What's so "white" about say a person from southern Spain with jet-black hair and olive skin? An East Asian would be just as "white".

It's better to simply invent new terms for other people - Or better yet, stop using the color-reference altogether. It doesn't cover enough nuances anyway.

Swedes, Germans or Irish were not considered white at one point in the US

[OQmYckYz]

According to the sacred truths revealed in this Forum, the main criteria for being White is writing nonsensic bullshit and act like a moron and stating idiocies about "olive skin" and black hair...

[exeftWabreava]

According to the sacred truths revealed in this Forum, the main criteria for being White is writing nonsensic bullshit and act like a moron and stating idiocies about "olive skin" and black hair...

Oh? Did I strike a nerve?

Why don't you provide a good defenition of white then, mr. Mongrel.

[Michaelnewerb]

Oh? Did I strike a nerve?

You?

Who are you?

Oh, wait...!

The guy who ignores even the basic about Genetics...

The guy who has never seen a blueeyed Spaniard after having lived in Spain.

The guy who spreads his anti-Spanish shit in EVERY SINGLE THREAD of the Forum...

Why don't you provide a good defenition of white then, mr. Mongrel. Whites: Imbeciles from some mediocre European countries whose only actual resemblance with the people of the nations that have actually changed History is based in skin tone.

[DoterrFor]

Definition of white: A Caucasoid, white-skinned person.

What is a albino African person? Well they are still Negroid not Caucasoid, hence, they are still not white.

[SoftrermaBioniaSat]

There is no scientific definition of white, there's only white as a designation, so clearly "white" may mean different things to different people, but when Euros say white, they mean white European. You can use a dictionary, but the word happen to exist in many European languages as a designation, and it always mean the same, namely white AND European. It's not just the "race" of a person, but also modern Western culture. This can bee seen by something like "White Man's Burden", that poem is not about skin colour.
It's often used as "the white man" which has nothing to do with anybody in particular, but it's more of an abstract concept.

[riverakathy]

Who are you?

Oh, wait...!

The guy who ignores even the basic about Genetics...

This isn't about gentics. It's about the defenition of a very generic term. Sure, you can define white as "anyone euro" so that even a mongrel like you can squeeze your way in. But you'll still always end up with 2 problems:

A) Just how euro do you have to be? 50%? 80% 100%?

B) Socially you still won't be recognized as white if you look too non-white. For the swarthiest and darkest of europeans that may be the case if they go abroad, or even in their own countries.

The guy who has never seen a blueeyed Spaniard after having lived in Spain.

This shit again. You really won't let that go will you? Do you have any fucking idea of how common blue eyes are amongst native swedes? When I go to Spain I don't see anyone with blue eyes. Perhaps they do exist in the north of the country. But there are studies for these things, and as I recall, the frequency of blue eyes in Spain is less than 10 %.

The guy who spreads his anti-Spanish shit in EVERY SINGLE THREAD of the Forum...

I don't. I really don't. I may have something of a love-hate relationship with Spain but I am in no way on a crusade to bash the country. The problem is just that you guys can't handle critizism. You get so emotional all the time, and that's why self-improvement is difficult for you.

Whites: Imbeciles from some mediocre European countries whose only actual resemblance with the nations that have changed History is based in skin tone.

Mediocre countries. Is this about your ethnic background? Why don't you put up some flags to show your other ancestry instead of just bashing Sweden. (I thought you just accused me of bashing Spain, lol)

[chujwduperjadzi]

This isn't about gentics.

I know... The term "White" is the most antiscientific shit ever...

Sure, you can define white as "anyone euro" so that even a mongrel like you can squeeze your way in. I do not mind about "Whites", "Euros" and the rest of the swindle... Do you need me to tell you where you can keep the concept "Whiteness" and the whole Europe?

But you'll still always end up with 2 problems: Problems? Do you really think those represent problems to me???

Just how euro do you have to be? 50%? 80% 100%? Less than 4%...

Socially you still won't be recognized as white if you look too non-white. Who cares?

For the swarthiest and darkest of europeans that may be the case if they go abroad, or even in their own countries. I really think you are lost since six or seven threads ago...

You really won't let that go will you? That wonders me, Sir...

Imagine someone who tells you "I have been to Norway and never seen a brunette..."

Do you have any fucking idea of how common blue eyes are amongst native swedes? Yes...

When I go to Spain I don't see anyone with blue eyes.

Perhaps they do exist in the north of the country.

Sóser, you know Spain like I know Saturn...

But there are studies for these things, and as I recall, the frequency of blue eyes in Spain is less than 10 %. Really?

I may have something of a love-hate relationship with Spain Your problem, Sir, not ours.

The problem is just that you guys can't handle critizism. No... The trouble here is just that you, Sóser, are a moron unable to forget your prejudices on us.

You get so emotional all the time, and that's why self-improvement is difficult for you.

Mediocre countries. Of course.

Is this about your ethnic background? Around 4%...

Why don't you put up some flags to show your other ancestry Because nations came after populations...

instead of just bashing Sweden. Who is bashing Sweden?

(I thought you just accused me of bashing Spain, lol) Sóser, you ALWAYS mention Spain... And it is not me the only one that has noticed it yet...

[Dertrioz]

All it means is passing for a European, but not the fringe kind of European. So in other words, passing for European with no ambiguity whatsoever.

Like I said in another post, you're white if everyone thinks you're white, without having to think about it. If they do have to think about it, then you're probably not white.

Are you sure? Maybe that's true on these anthro phora, but I don't think so as far as the USA definition of the term is concerned. For example, I don't think any of the American Jews I know is actually considered non-white. And I don't mean some who might pass for northern Euro by phenotype, I'm talking about the somewhat Med/Taurid influenced average, perhaps stereotype-approaching phenotype.

And perhaps it's a similar case with Italians and whiteness. While many of them look far from what most people think of when hearing the term white, they are, as an ethnicity, generally considered white in the USA.

[adactthrd]

I know... The term "White" is the most antiscientific shit ever...

Then we agree on something.

Imagine someone who tells you "I have been to Norway and never seen a brunette..."

Well, to be honest with you. I would subscribe to that if you said "Norweigan with black hair." They don't exist (unless they're immigrants, mixed or w/e).

Because nations came after populations...

Professional dodger. YOU are one who should become a politician, not Sakerisker.

[HilaryNidierer]

When I go to Spain I don't see anyone with blue eyes. Perhaps they do exist in the north of the country. But there are studies for these things, and as I recall, the frequency of blue eyes in Spain is less than 10 %.

Let me correct, but 10% is the lowest region, how can it be the average of Spain ? The average is somwhere in the 15-20% range.

Anyways, I don't consider myself "white" nor I want to join any aryan club, I consider myself only as "Spanish", nothing else.

[GfBTWMmV]

Swedes, Germans or Irish were not considered white at one point in the US

I think that is partly a) an urban myth (Ignatiev's "how the Irish became white") and b) a reflection of a cultural, Anglocentric definition of whiteness.
People in colonial America sometimes spoke of "white people, Indians and Highlanders" meaning Highland Scots. The intent was to differentiate English-speaking Britons and other Protestant immigrants from Gaelic-speaking, kilt-wearing Highlanders (considered "savages" to an extent, like the Indians ).
The Swedes in colonial America were not ethnic Swedes, but Savo-Karelian Finns who were deported in the 17th century from an earlier settlement in northern Sweden to a short-lived Swedish colony at the mouth of the Delaware River. The Savo-Karelians were hunters and small-scale horticulturalists just like their Amerindian trading partners, to whom other colonists liked to compare them.

[bredkumanfirst]

Light skinned (from mediterranic to nordic) caucasoids, end of discussion

[babopeddy]

white: a caucasoid, fair skinned

oriental/yellow: a mongoloid, fair skinned

black: a negroid, dark skinned

brown: a caucasoid, brown/dark skinned

I think that covers everything.

[jurnalkduo]

In my eyes, if you have white skin, then you are white. Period. Cultural constructs and non-European origin (no matter how big or small) mean nothing, especially when there are non-Euros that are fairer than actual Europeans living in Europe. "Whiteness" is such an abstract concept when it doesn't need to be, and it's idiotic.

White is about status, at least in the Western world.

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white: a caucasoid, fair skinned

oriental/yellow: a mongoloid, fair skinned

black: a negroid, dark skinned

brown: a caucasoid, brown/dark skinned

I think that covers everything.

Your brown and black contradict each other.

[crestorinfo]

There are some wanna-be whites though. I know someone who surfes this forums and he's half jewish half north euro and he thinks he's 100% white. fucking retard.
In my eyes, if you have white skin, then you are white. Period. lol than almost all my family are white. you don't make sense in that post. Dark europeans are whiter than light west asians. period.
But no one in their right mind would test themselves like that, unless it's just for laughs while traveling. 7elevn from anthroscape would definitely do that. he's THAT insecure.
That wasn't my hypothesis, it was Ace of Spades. It seemed plausible enough so I requested a link so I could verify it. Either way, it's not just me. There are plenty of Ukrainian Jews who don't necessarily look the part. yep. it was me. but not neceserialy ukrainian jews. there was a lot of migrating. a german jew and a polish jew could be descended from people who, 400 years ago, dwelled among ukrainians. in fact in the polish case it seems relevant, since the cossacks killed poles and acted in the polish area of sovereingnty. They did their deeds in what is now present-day poland, no?(polako?).
But ashkenazi jews still have a high coefficient of inbreeding. so that may refute my theory.

[Plaumpholavup]

White is about status, at least in the Western world.

Only in the US, and even there mostly for people who are never viewed as white, such as African-Americans and Hispanics.

That's probably because they're under the impression that if they were white, they'd see that in terms of socio-economic benefits. But in this day and age, that's not true.

Are you sure? Maybe that's true on these anthro phora, but I don't think so as far as the USA definition of the term is concerned. For example, I don't think any of the American Jews I know is actually considered non-white. And I don't mean some who might pass for northern Euro by phenotype, I'm talking about the somewhat Med/Taurid influenced average, perhaps stereotype-approaching phenotype.

And perhaps it's a similar case with Italians and whiteness. While many of them look far from what most people think of when hearing the term white, they are, as an ethnicity, generally considered white in the USA.

Yes, I'm sure.

You're talking about the interpretation of the term at state level, which is different from the way it's used by society at large.

However, I do agree that since the state has started using the term, and changed its definition to be more inclusive, many people have started viewing the term in that context too.