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Old 06-30-2011, 01:16 AM   #1
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Default Who belongs to the White Race?
What do you think the cut-off for being "White" should be?
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:07 AM   #2
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I voted 7/8, as 1/8 could be ignored, first wanted to vote 3/4 but 1/4 is too much to ignore, so lets assume one grandpa doesnt make you mixed but two do.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:19 AM   #3
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If your 75% or more of a particular genetic ancestral component, your ______ (i.e. African, European, Asian). If your lower than that, your mixed.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:20 AM   #4
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5/8 to 100%
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:23 AM   #5
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5/8ths? ehh, i don't know about that. A mulatto man or woman with less african blood and very visible african features wouldn't exactly fit in the white race.. people would still view them as biracial,

5/8ths is still biracial in my opinion
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:24 AM   #6
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75-80% european and more, when the admix is with amerind genes.

87,5 % euro when the admix is african.

Not sure about east asian admix though.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:31 AM   #7
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I think 100% White because I am an extremist but I think 7/8th and maybe 3/4 might be acceptable.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:39 AM   #8
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75% or more.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:56 AM   #9
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I'd say 7/8 for SSA and 1/4 for Amerindian. Because SSA features are still more visible in people who are around 75-88% Euro, than Amerindian features that'll just make a person look Turk(Southern Euro admixed), or Baltic(Northern Euro Admixed)
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:07 AM   #10
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100% and 7/8 other then that your Biracial like Arabs, Jews etc
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:09 AM   #11
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Anyone who looks white. It's hard really to pin down admixture because it varies from person to person.

Like I would call Mariah Carey white, but she is 1/4 AfrAm. She still looks white to me.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:13 AM   #12
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why do you care?
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:20 AM   #13
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Anyone who looks white. It's hard really to pin down admixture because it varies from person to person.

Like I would call Mariah Carey white, but she is 1/4 AfrAm. She still looks white to me.
She identifies as Black.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:20 AM   #14
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I find the one drop rule doesn't make sense. I was watching "Black In America" and they had this one guy on. He had a black mother and a white father, he called himself "black", but he didn't look black at all. He looked white. Lets say in a theoretical situation, I witnessed him commit a crime... when the police asked me for my statement, I'd describe him as a white guy.

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She identifies as Black.
Yes, but she looks white.

Thing is, I don't view "black" and "white" as ethnicties. They're looks. I identify by my ethnicity, not as "white". There are like what? 1 billion white people? You'd have to be more specific.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:20 AM   #15
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This depends, are you using White in a racial or ethnic context. If in a racial context, then it would be based on whether or not there are observable heritable traits from any racial grouping that isn't considered "White" in the individual or any of their recent ancestors/close family(full siblings.) If you mean to use "White" as an ethnic description or to describe a single or group of ethnicities, then anything other than an overwhelming history of moderately recent ancestors belonging to that group or group of ethnicites doesn't qualify. Both contexts are in popular use, and sometimes there isn't a distinction made between whether somebody is referring to an ethnic description or a racial one. "White" is just too vague for there not to be complexities.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:23 AM   #16
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Having 25 percent admixture makes you mixed. I voted 7/8, but I'm rather meaning ancient admixture. I don't see why anyone should identify as "white" when having a granparent who is half something not Caucasoid? Of course, that person would likely pass as white for the public that did not know his or her ancestry.

If going by tradition, only "Germanics" are white. There was a time when the Italians, the Finns and the Irish suffered ethnic discrimination in Western European countries, Nowadays, they are considered more or less "honorary Western Europeans".
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:25 AM   #17
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Well... It's hard to say. White is more of a social thing really.

5/8ths for white if your other admixture is from another caucasoid ethnic group(say you are 5/8s euro and 3/8s turk/jew/persian/berber/etc)

7/8s if you are mixed with SSA. Octoroons are basically white.

and I'd say 7/8s if mixed with Amerind. Castizo I guess still counts as not white.

Then again, it really is a social thing. I will use myself as an example again because I think I fit the border of whitevsnonwhite and I'm the only person I can speak for authoritatively. Being 1/4 euro, 1/8 amerind 1/8 maghreb jew and 1/2 ashkenazi jew.... White Americans see me as white. People born in Europe generally do not. As well, mestizos and MENAs tend to see me as non-white. But SSAs will usually see me as white, unless they are also hispanic. I tend to see myself as "off-white" like the paint on walls.
My point is, white is more a social thing than a quantitative measurable race.


That being said- I still wonder if you all consider me as white?
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:28 AM   #18
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If going by tradition, only "Germanics" are white. There was a time when the Italians, the Finns and the Irish suffered ethnic discrimination in Western European countries, Nowadays, they are considered more or less "honorary Western Europeans".
At some time in the USA Germans and Swedes were not considered white either. Only Anglo Saxons were white. For Alfieb to be on the safe side we have say that 1/2 is white...
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:30 AM   #19
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If person is 1/2 Jewish, would you consider him or her as a mixed person?
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:30 AM   #20
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I'd like to say that "White" makes much more sense in the New World than it does in Europe.White was used to distinguish individuals based on appearance or I suppose a loosely defined race (and assumed ancestry) from those of other phenotypes(races) and assumed ancestries. It was used to distinguish Europeans from Africans and Native Americans based on appearance alone. The reason why I mention assumed ancestry, is because eventually when admixture has been diluted enough the mixed individual will be indistinguishable from variation among 'pure' individuals. They are for all intents and purposes, white, and are assumed to have fully European ancestry(with few sound-proof ways of determining this.) In the old world it held much less strength to it, obviously because of the limited interactions with significantly different racial groups(Native Americans, Africans.)
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