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Old 06-09-2011, 10:00 PM   #1
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Default Do you really believe race exists?
It was a concept designed to make certain groups of people feel superior to others. Racial science has a history entrenched in racial supremacism. It could have easily been called by another name. It is a way to divide people. If an impoverished child from the Congo was raised by affluent parents in another part of the world his achievement would reflect his upbringing. Race has nothing to do with achievement, only culture and education determines this. So do you think that races are really different in terms of ability and potential, or do you feel that only environment and culture creates the disparity?
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:39 PM   #2
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

Humans aren't all lumped within the same category when researching their DNA. So yes, I do believe that races exist. I still don't see the differences as large though, and many (if not most) are mixed to a smaller degree.

Physical Anthropology ---> Race & Ethnicity in Society

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Old 06-10-2011, 10:40 PM   #3
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I think race exist the difference is that human races are genetically very close
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:42 PM   #4
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hasn't this thread already existed about 4 times!
and yes race does exist otherwises all those racist comments of mine were for nothing!!!!
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:44 PM   #5
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hasn't this thread already existed about 4 times!
It probably has even more times than so. I couldn't find any thread when doing a quick search though, and didn't have the urge to search deeper.
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:45 PM   #6
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The difference between the various human groups, is measured in a couple of gene sequences here and there product of ancient adaptation, mutation and evolution of our genes. It's interesting so to study phenotypes, ethnicities, culture, languages, history and things like that, just putting them into this perspective.
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Old 06-10-2011, 10:53 PM   #7
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It probably has even more times than so. I couldn't find any thread when doing a quick search though, and didn't have the urge to search deeper.
fair enough!
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Old 06-10-2011, 11:04 PM   #8
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Fact remains: the other is evil. Only you believe in the other OP.
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Old 06-11-2011, 12:21 AM   #9
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In our minds yes. When we look at multiple populations spread out on some type of genetic plot why do we assume we are looking at "Race". If we are to assume we are looking at "Race" where would the race "Start" and where would it "Stop" and what is the quintessential genetic specimen of that Race?

If find it interesting that because of the cultural history of America many when viewing an MDS chart of Africans "Start" the chart somewhere around the West African Yoruba as if they are the quintessential African Race. This does not make sense from a Genetic standpoint. Where does the "African" race Start?:

MDS1.jpg

If we do the same for Europeans who are "White" or "Caucasoid" where would that race "Start"?

novembreplotao2.jpg

I still think it fails because there would be too many "races" otherwise you may have someone that cluster genetically With "Asians" or "Mongoloids" but fit into a social description of people we call "Black". This social definition will almost always override that of genetics therefore screwing up the entire "race" argument.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:03 AM   #10
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Obviously races exist.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:12 AM   #11
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Sounds like a "troll" to me, ban this fuck I say.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:20 AM   #12
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The existance of races is an obvious fact of life. You can pick 20 ethnic japanese, 20 ethnic germans, and anyone is able to tell the two groups apart, even if they have never seen a german or a japanese before.


Now, the dogma that one race is superior... that's another matter.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:30 AM   #13
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Do you think that all humans looks the same? they don't for my eyes.
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Old 06-11-2011, 01:38 AM   #14
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a good question is how do we define "race", I think the issue with the concept comes with how we define it, it has changed over time, and place, and may be most confusing today, in the most diverse (ethnically) lands
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:38 AM   #15
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Of course race exists. Just like different hair colour exists, pigmentation exists, weight exists etc. That´s just obvious, isn´t it?
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Old 06-11-2011, 02:56 AM   #16
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lol, if they can tell what you are from your spit then yes, it exists..
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Old 06-11-2011, 03:19 AM   #17
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogical_DNA_test

Humans aren't all lumped within the same category when researching their DNA. So yes, I do believe that races exist. I still don't see the differences as large though, and many (if not most) are mixed to a smaller degree.

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Old 06-11-2011, 03:28 AM   #18
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It was a concept designed to make certain groups of people feel superior to others. Racial science has a history entrenched in racial supremacism. It could have easily been called by another name. It is a way to divide people. If an impoverished child from the Congo was raised by affluent parents in another part of the world his achievement would reflect his upbringing. Race has nothing to do with achievement, only culture and education determines this. So do you think that races are really different in terms of ability and potential, or do you feel that only environment and culture creates the disparity?
I sense alot of hostility and anger in your post along with the details on your avatar. Do you really feel you are uniting people with your rhetoric? Races exist because there are differences between human populations. Its true Race is just a word, but its one we have chosen to describe those differences. I agree that achievement is based on environment more than race, but remember that race carries cultural connotations as well.
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Old 06-11-2011, 03:31 AM   #19
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Wikipedia is the last source ill trust my friend.
They used to say smoking can control your anxiety. a couple of months ago.
It's only for describing the basics, anyway. The Wikipedia article is not really about races existing or not, only that you can trace peoples ancestries by researching their saliva. Which was my only intention to point out.
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:29 AM   #20
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It was a concept designed to make certain groups of people feel superior to others. Racial science has a history entrenched in racial supremacism. It could have easily been called by another name. It is a way to divide people. If an impoverished child from the Congo was raised by affluent parents in another part of the world his achievement would reflect his upbringing. Race has nothing to do with achievement, only culture and education determines this. So do you think that races are really different in terms of ability and potential, or do you feel that only environment and culture creates the disparity?
Even though we can look at a person and identify physical characteristics he or she has that are associated with various ethnic groups, it is not as clear-cut as “race” zealots make it out to be. The problem with “race” is that there is an assumption made that the variations among humans are as clearly defined as are borders on a map. The distinctions are not so clearly defined and they are arbitrary in nature.

I think we have some fun in the forum trying to guess a person’s ethnic background, but I don’t take it that seriously.
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