[Casyimipist]

fucking gay.

[BaselBimbooooo]

fucking gay.

yes, fighting collusion certainly is that.

[Casyimipist]

yes, fighting collusion certainly is that.

teams aren't being punished for spending too much, they are being punished for moving money into the uncapped year to gain an advantage in a capped year, sick the bullshit pissing match between the both of them.

[KukkoDrukko]

teams aren't being punished for spending too much, they are being punished for moving money into the uncapped year to gain an advantage in a capped year, sick the bullshit pissing match between the both of them.

And why would they be punished for doing that?

[Casyimipist]

And why would they be punished for doing that?

Because it created an unfair competitive advantage for them, to the best of my knowledge none of the players were signed during that year, what exactly does the union want 4 billion dollars for ... ?

This pissing contest is beyond tiresome.

[BaselBimbooooo]

teams aren't being punished for spending too much, they are being punished for moving money into the uncapped year to gain an advantage in a capped year, sick the bullshit pissing match between the both of them.

they are being punished for spending more than $123, or whatever the number was, in the uncapped year. how does an uncapped year have a cap? collusion, that's how.

[Casyimipist]

they are being punished for spending more than $123, or whatever the number was, in the uncapped year. how does an uncapped year have a cap? collusion, that's how.

They are being punished for moving money from one year to another after being told not to do it because it created a competitive advantage. The extra money spent was redistributed back into spending for other teams...so why the hell would they be suing for 4 billion dollars, in what world do they live in where they are owed 4 billion dollars? Just a bunch of lawyer bullshit, killing the NFL.

[KukkoDrukko]

Because it created an unfair competitive advantage for them, to the best of my knowledge none of the players were signed during that year, what exactly does the union want 4 billion dollars for ... ?

This pissing contest is beyond tiresome.

Any of the teams could have done it, so it wasn't really a competitive disadvantage.

Except that they were all told not to, which is called collusion.

[BaselBimbooooo]

They are being punished for moving money from one year to another after being told not to do it because it created a competitive advantage. The extra money spent was redistributed back into spending for other teams...so why the hell would they be suing for 4 billion dollars, in what world do they live in where they are owed 4 billion dollars? Just a bunch of lawyer bullshit, killing the NFL.

the teams broke no rules. other then the unwritten ones, which is collusion.

[Casyimipist]

Any of the teams could have done it, so it wasn't really a competitive disadvantage.

Except that they were all told not to, which is called collusion.

They agreed to the settlement of it and now are suing for more than all the salaries combined in a year?

The real question is do you believe that any player lost money in this collusion, and if yes how much?

[KukkoDrukko]

They agreed to the settlement of it and now are suing for more than all the salaries combined in a year?

The real question is do you believe that any player lost money in this collusion, and if yes how much?

They did not agree to any settlement of collusion charges, and that is all this lawsuit is about. Not player salaries, as much as the illegal implementation of a salary cap.

[Casyimipist]

They did not agree to any settlement of collusion charges, and that is all this lawsuit is about. Not player salaries, as much as the illegal implementation of a salary cap.

They claim for one season the rules agreed upon in the previous cba were secretly colluded costing their players money, that's exactly what it's about. Just more hours that their lawyers can bill them for...

[KukkoDrukko]

They claim for one season the rules agreed upon in the previous cba were secretly colluded costing their players money, that's exactly what it's about. Just more hours that their lawyers can bill them for...

Do you or do you not believe that there was a false salary cap put in place by the league during the uncapped year?

[GustavM]

My understanding is the issue is not simply that they spent too much money in the uncapped year but that they signed guys to long term deals and front loaded the contracts so that they were more cap friendly in the future capped years. To me, telling teams not to manipulate contracts for future years when they KNEW that they would be capped years is not the same as telling teams not to spend money.

Now the argument that I think does hold water is, why did the NFL approve those contracts if they knew what was going on?

[DexOnenlyCymn]

teams aren't being punished for spending too much, they are being punished for moving money into the uncapped year to gain an advantage in a capped year, sick the bullshit pissing match between the both of them.

IMO, the NFL gave away the ballgame when they punished teams for violating the "agreement".

Collusion is illegal in collective bargaining, the NFLPA has a case.

[vaalmerruutel]

fucking gay.

You would know.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[vipluka]

Just another reason to boycott the NFL. I'm glad I haven't spent any time on the NFL since my self-imposed boycott. What a joke.

[vaalmerruutel]

IMO, the NFL gave away the ballgame when they punished teams for violating the "agreement".

Collusion is illegal in collective bargaining, the NFLPA has a case.

This. What were they thinking?

[ssiikmuz]

They agreed to the settlement of it and now are suing for more than all the salaries combined in a year?

The real question is do you believe that any player lost money in this collusion, and if yes how much?

Yes, I believe players lost money they could have made without the collusion. How much? It is impossible to say....but it is not in the billions Im thinking.

Still...the only thing not making this a case for the NFLPA is for a judge to say they lost the right to sue over this when they signed the new CBA. And there would need to be iron clad language in the CBA saying they give up this right or it is very likely a judge lets this go.

Or it goes through appeals for years.

[Casyimipist]

de smith is the worst, wish he would go away.