I am not saying ban tAli for everyone. Those who do not want to wear it later should avoid it in the first place, Wear a big gold ring studded with diamond. That way the jewelers will not be denied their take.
I am saying liberate yourself right at the beginning.

Then we have to follow Arya Samaj way of wedding sans Thali.
Out here the TB priest will get a heart attack if we do away with the Thali.
Some priest also wonder why some of us tie a gold chain right away and not yellow string.

The pUNUl in the thread's starting post has been replaced by the tAli . It reminds me of
வாலு போச்சு கத்தி வந்துது டும் டும் டும் http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/clap2.gif

They are related isn't it? Both are cords that binds tradition!

Dear Sri. Shiv, Greetings.

The question is, 'What is the need for a poonool for the Brahmin known to the whole place ( village/town)?'. The proverb is set in such a way, it is asked to the Brahmin guy by others. In fact, the inner meaning of the proverb may not even involve any brahmin guy. Presently, the socity doesn't ask this question anymore. Poonool has become a personal preference. So, 'personal preference' is the answer for your question.

Your OP is not quite clear though. Brahmin community is also not identifying themselves with poonool. If you notice closely, most poonool are hidden beneath the shirt or hangs on a nail; only Sastrigal/vadhyar and gurukkal wear the poonool on the outside for others to see. One can easily argue, that is the requirement placed by the society, by the majority non-brahmins. Non-brahmins still ask for brahmins to conduct weddings and ceremonies..... So, they would like to see the 'priest' displaying a set of poonool.

Brahmin is not known by the gunas. Let's be practical. In the socity, 'brahmins' are known by birth only. For argument sake, if brahmins are known strictly by guna, many non-brahmins would be affected by reservation system; many brahmins by birth would get preferential treatment in reservation system!

Cheers!

namaste.

I am reminded of the Doordarshan English news reader Smt.Sukanya Balakrishnan who proudly wore her mAngalyam over her sari when she read the news:
Doordarshan news - YouTube

Sadly the mangalyam is not for public exhibition http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/nono.gif
and is NOT to be seen by any man other than her husband!
In fact that is how Harichandra is identified by Chandramathi
in the pathetic burial ground scene !!!

The poonool will be inside the clothes.

No one is going to see it unless men walk around topless
like the priests and pundits in public places!!! http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/smile.png

My father used to say this very often,

"In our place, everyone knows us and so we can be ourselves.
In a new place no one knows us. So we can be ourselves."

So we can just be ourselves all the time
and have a free mind without putting up pretenses
and trying to maintain imaginary images!!!! http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/drama.gif

Who but a naughty Shiv (gana) can get such a doubt!!! http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/...s/rolleyes.png

I always wondered why woman of other states can display the Mangalsutra over their clothes but in Tamil Nadu the Mangalsutra is not supposed to be for Public Display.

You know the Tamil Mangalsutra is most of the while M shaped and girls these days call it Mc Donald.

http://joannaburns.files.wordpress.c.../mcdonalds.jpg

i happened to see this proverb in yet another thread here, and my intention in posting here is to find the literal meaning behind the proverb. (Not to ponder over the necessity of PunUl )

Mangalsutra starts with a "M"! http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/styles/World/icons/icon3.png

May be that is why it is made in the shape of a "M!"

Man or Male who ties it also starts with "M"

The lady Mangai who receive it also starts with "M"

Marriage also starts with "M"

Mandapam the veneu of the event also starts with"M"

Mitra who attend the function also starts with "M"

May be we can expect hundreds of such doubts and questions in the near future!!!http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/smile.png

But in which Indian Language the letter M is written as M?

म् ம ??????


BTW Mamiyar and Mamanar and Mui money also starts with M!!

i am surprised that we discuss a lot but no one really talks more facts..It would be good if some learned scholars in the site share their insights.Many are assumptions,self preferenes...
Though I am ignorant on such topics i knew few things like various sects wore Poonal.There is a holyness in it with brhma mudichu being put on the sacred thread.There is a unique distiction for MEN who are married & bachelors with the number of threads they wore.Normally for bachelors it is 3 & for married it is 6.
And from history , hindu marriages does not have mangal sutra..If my hearngs are true the main part of the marrige is called Kannika Thanam where the bride's father gives her dauter to the bridegroom by holding the hands together..it is during the ISlamic invasion, to protect ladies subjected to unkindful activities the concept of Thal was brought in to picture.There were some significance like it is close to one's chest & there is a reason for it...

I am quite new to this site & see intresting discussions.I request all members to encourage learned scholars to join this site so that it sets the right platform to share right information.

Thank You.

Welcome to Forum my friend.

English has entered India long ago! Remember??? http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/smile.png

ALL the scholars have quit the forum very recently. http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/bolt.gif

Only common people like me are here now and
we have learned to get along well without much friction.

The scholars were against everything told in sasthra.

But that is beside the point. It is just to show that even if they were here now,
they will not have take up your side of the debate.http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/nono.gif

With the kind of loose living now prevalent in major cities and metropolitan cities,
"kannigai" will become a very rare commodity in the near future.

So an external reminder( that she is married to a man now, and has to be faithful to him)
in the form of a thaali is to be welcomed by all.

You may be new to the forum but you seem to be very well informed. So you can take up the issues and enlighten the others. There is no seniority here nor are any other qualifications needed to speak the truth and give correct information!

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/welcome.gif to fill up the vacuum! http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/images/smilies/smile.png

Ha Ha Ha..
You know out here in Malaysia people believe in numerology and you will find weird sounding names and weird spelled names so that the letters in the name will add up to some so called lucky number.

Ok here are some names...be ready brace yourself.

Vishnu is spelled as Vishannu
Varun is spelled as Varrunn
Even names like Dukesh are kept cos they are numerically lucky..but what a name? Dukesh(Lord of Sorrow)

Ok Gopal is spelt as Gooppal.
Tarun is spelt as Tharroon.

I was wondering that if we write the name Varun as Varrunn in english alphabets but when we write it in any Indian language it will be spelt as वरुण् only..so all the double RR and NN etc will not occur.

That's why when someone asked me why I do not believe in Numerology for my son's name I told them "Cos I am not an Englishkari. I am a Tamilian and in Tamil I can't write all extra letters here and there"

Dear VR Ji,

How true..Ignorance is Bliss..see off late there is no need for moderation too.
Even fights are handled well in slow motion matrix style.
No one attacking with bullets or sticks or stones.
All of us are very very peaceful and happy.
Chidananda Roopah Shivoham Shivoham!