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FIRST LANGUAGE OF HUMANITY

I want to share with my RARE Knowledge on this Topic :

... ORIGIN OF THAMIZH- LANGUAGE....

...I learnt from an UPAASAKAR so called SPIRITUALIST, whom I met about 50 years back near Nagpur. He is a "Medium" through whom Spirits from the Super-world used to convey the replies to our Questions, while he used to be under the state of Meditation.

I cannot doubt him even to the least but trust him totally because he was an exemplary PIOUS Maharashtrian- Brahmin DEVOTED much towards the well-being of one and all without any sort of discrimination .... Rather a SIMPLE GENTLEMAN of high calibre with HELPING-NATURE to one and all whoever approach him for help.

And also I am unable to doubt on his Spiritual-statements too because it used to CORROBORATE unfailingly PERFECT AND EXACT... by Time and Substance, so to say I believe his Prophecies too radically.

I give importance, because I find his sayings tally well with History, Vaedic-Relgion and Science.

Here I present his Spiritual-Statements rendered IN PERSON TO ME....

(1) The earliest and the FIRST MANKIND appeared on the Banks of SARASWATHI in North-India, which River is Non-existent Now. They spread over to different parts of the world subsequently.

(2) Later Human-beings appeared at different parts of the Tropical Regions especially in Africa, South-America, Middle-East and Turkey-Regions. But they were all Savages without exception... and some even turned as Cannibals.

(3) The FOOD of the First-created such Mankind on the Banks of River Saraswathi was ONLY FISH, FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.

(4) The LANGUAGE they spoke was the FIRST and FOREMOST LANGUAGE of the ENTIRE HUMANITY. He named it as SARASWATHI's LANGUAGE. Such people spread over more towards South-India upto the tip of Kanya-kumari.

(5) Saraswathi created that First Language of Humanity which SHE further spread over the world by taking Awathaarams thrice in South-India (This tallies with Avvaiyaar)

lOL...you people ..some of you have good knowledge but stop your bogus thing toward Dravidan came from Thituvidan! or calling Thamizhan as one of Dravidan or Thamizh as Tamil!
Dravidan came as described below:

After aryans encountered Thamizh civilization in now day so called South Asia. They asked the people who were Thamizhan..as who they are? The Thamizhars said: We are Thamizhar..but aryans who must have spoke prakrit or some form of language wasn't able to pronounce 'zha' which is only found in Thamizh language and it's only unique to Thamizh..so they called Thamizhan --> as Dramilan ---> which became as Dravidan.

Thamizhan --> Dramilan --> Dravidan.

Your foolish quote on saying Rahul Dravid is True Dravidan is wrong! Rahul from what I read is a half Thamizh and half Maharashtrian. Nevertheless it also look down from Thamizhan being Thamizhan as you bring the term Dravidan which was used by European and others to commonly call Thamizhars and their descends as 'Dravidan' which shouldn't have been done..I don't see why you can't call Thamizhar and their Descends as of the origin of Thamizhar or Senthamizhar! Perhaps even Thamizhan are proud to be so called corrupted term 'Dravidan' than being Thamizhan!

Oh and your Sanskirit evolution or exploited from Thamizh might be right..as lot of evidences points out that most of Sanskirit words are of Thamizh origin about 40% but from what some of you saying..it could be in fact that almost all words used in Sanskirit could be of Thamizh origin! Good job on that.

nanRi, vaNnaKkam ____/____ Thamizhare...

I agree with Mara, it might be true. It can be true, It is true!

Dear Mr. Manonmani.G

TAMIL the Offshoot Language of MALAYALAM?

Tamil is the one and the only Language FIRST SPOKEN by any Human ... not only in India ... but also the entire Globe ... while the Mankind in the rest of the World were only SAVAGES... as authentically established by several International Linguistic Scholars... especially Mr. SUNEETHI KUMAR CHATTERJI and MR. CALDWELL.

Malayalam is the Language nicely carved by Sri Ezhuthachan, the Great Linguistic Scholar both in Tamil and Sanskrit. It is the MOST RECENT as well as the LATEST ADDITION to the List of Indian Languages, just 300 years back.

The whole Kerala where Malayalam is the present Regional Language, was the so called CHERA- NAADU, where Tamil alone was the Language prevalent until 300 years back. One of the past Rulers of such Chera- Nadu was the King turned Kulasekara- Azhwar.

From Tamil... Manipravalam emerged.

From Manipravalam... Malayalam emerged.

MALAYALAM ...a Beautiful BLEND...

... of COLLOQUAL TAMIL and RICH SANSKRIT.

very nice elaboration

Yeh Long live thamizh! Even when other languages die out hope to god that songs will be sang in tamizh. THE ONLY INDIAN LANGUAGE

does it matter?

its a fu##ing language..........


yeah but why aren't you guys making any claims like SANSKRIT can?

according to the NEASDEN temple they quote that SANSKRIT has 70 words for water which then amalgamate into 280 different words when added with a pre-fix..........

these 70 words have not been derived from anyother language........

so then how can TAMIL have HAD ANY influence over SANSKRIT and the north?

you have to remember that the BORDERS of ARYA-VARTHA reached up to SIBERIA and across most of INDO-CHINA.........

the old lands not the recent ones like ANGOR WAT etc......MOHENJO DARO and the INDUS are all new sites.....

the SARASWATI site shows a continous momentum of life from 5000 bc all the way back to 2 million years ago.....

which coincides with the time KRSNA was called RAANCHOD when he left the battlefield to warn his people of the civilisation due to melting ice caps and the flooding off the rivers........

and even that site isn't part of the old land so you can imgaine how big ARYA VARTHA really was...

can TAMIL make any claims like that?

if so please enlighten the world, if not be humbled by the power of SANSKRIT and stop fighting it and go with the flow.............

i am sure TaMIL is just as beautifully refined...

SANSKRIT has 70 words for water and 65 words for Earth.

when added with a prefix these words for water then amalgamate to 280 words !!!!

no language in the world has such qualities!!!!

jai hind


om chanted through tonoscope produces Sri Yantra!!!

the seven chakras alligned together give the same pattern as the spark that ignites life into a computer......................

see articles on OM through tonoscope listed below.....

http://www.hyattcarter.com/path_of_sound.htm

http://www.isibrno.cz/~gott/mandalas.htm

http://home.mweb.co.za/sa/samten/jenny.htm

now do you guys understand why the NAZIS and the west want to keep Aryanism downtrodden and hidden away as theirs?

it is the coolest and most laid back religion, and way of life there is available amalgamating as many realms as possible as one............

green comes from blue and yellow

yellow and pink make orange......

welcome to the Geometric hallucination......

MAYA.....

eat this and swallow your pride..............

Sanskrit has practically vanished. Its no body's mother tounge today.

Dear Mr Ananth, before I give you 'proofs', please let if you a literate in Tamil. And do you know a little Sanskrit? That will make it easier to understand the 'proofs'!

I strongly agree with Mr.Nedunchezhian..
I too have similiar views about our own Tamil film industry..The guys who have the Thamizh unarvu does not to be seen in this good industry.
it is a shame on our Tamil film industry..
The worst thing was,they always blame on our Audience for that..

Ariya=Scarce, Arinthavan=with knowledge,Arivu=Knowledge
Thiruvidam=thiravidam=dravidam
thirumozhi=thiramozhi=thramizh=thamizh=tamil(today s slang)
thiruvidan=thravidan=dravidan.
Since white skin people where first contacted by the people they
might have coined this term arya/aiyaw(todays slang)
Arinthavan has nothing to do with the term arya neither it is noble
as posed in the context of arya.



In vedichistory@yahoogroups.com, "vraghavan26"
wrote:
> While it is getting systematically proved that the indian
> civilization is the civilization of the dravidians (Blacks)and is
in
> continuation of World civilization of egypt,
mesapatomia,china,india
> and south america and that the earlier studies were Biased by aryan
> concept and domination . The level of such bias is still felt with
> some aryalogist in india even today trying to rewrite history in
> thier favour contrary to the references in vedas,historical
> evidences and are trying to establish white homogenity in india and
> their superiority over blacks.
>
>
>
>
> For the sake of primary information Following is put forth:
> Aryan or Arya is derived from the root word AR/ARi Which in Tamil
> MEans Light,knowledge,strange This WOrd refers to anything that is
> strange scarce in that sense might have refered to by the
dravidians
> while they met white aryans.This also referred to a stock of
> dravidian rulers as Arakkan=Rakhshas=arasan=raja=aiyan=aiya etc.
> The term veda Comes from the root word vi-light,revelation,expose,
> exclamatory.etc.vid/viyappu/vilangu/velichham,vengai(lion/king)ari
> also mean king/lion.
> RG ved is nothing but corruption of these two words:
> Arya vid=Rya ved
> Rg=ved=Strange Knowledge Or the Knowledge of the Brahman.For
Brahman
> Come From the root word Pira(alien)=viya(exclamatory)=piravi
(birth).
> Brahman is also represented Viyappu!!
> Pleasem visit:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/

tamil idhu language alla ithu orru vaazkhai murai.ithan thodakkam manithan rain veelai seyya aarambithaudan..amma ithu manithanin mudhal kural..ithu tamiz thaan...

//Both languages grew up together and mixed frequently. As people left India, entered, or moved in and out, words and linguistic ideas mixed. There is no such thing as "aryan" or "dravidian".
All of us share an ancient tradition extending to the day's when Kanya Kumari was the center of civilization. In fact recent archaeology has proven that the lost "atlantis" was centered around Cape Comorin, and Sri Lanka is the remanent of a continent bridging Madagascar, Australia, South East Asia, and Tamil Nadu. When it was destroyed many people spread apart, but the "dravidians" remained closests to their mother civilizations. As "aryans" arrived back, they encountered a culture that was much like their origional civilization, and moved back to settled life from the nomadic exile they had held for so long.//

Probably true but expect that bother cultures and languages grew up the same! Heck No! Well beside the fact that Europeans think Atlantis Excist in the Atlantic Ocea, I think like some philosophers of past and professors have said,
"Thamizhan thaan ulakin muthal mAnthan
Thamizhan pirantha idam kumarikandam"
Kumarikandam must have existed for a long time and perhaps even 4,000 years ago there must have been a massive land south of Thamizheezham and Sri Lanka (Eezham) as IlangkO indicates in 'SilapathikAtam' that land south of that day TN was submerged under the Ocean and the fact from the way he said...it actually proves that there was a Continent in now day so called 'Indian Ocean'[as geogologists believe that now day land was once water body and now day Oceans were once land] and that perhaps thousand [1000] years ago or so before Ilangko or even less than that time..TN must have been connected to Eezham (Thamizheezham and Sri Lanka) and the land must have been connected from Kanniya kumari, TN to puttalam, Thamizheezham

NO Mary because Thamizh Cinema has 50% English..I'm sure the English people will be able to understand it! If you want to create a Cinema and make money as Bolly wood and Thamizh Cinema doing..you either put subtitles or speak 50% English in your cinema! I wish I could meet these great directors and these fools who act and create the Thamizh cinema and make it in a corrupted way! All these directors and producers and Actors and Actresses claim is that youths want this and youth want that so we are doing it!

Let me ask you this.

If you smoke Cigaratte does that make you stronger? (no as WHO points out that smoking people will have 8-10% more chance of getting lung cancer compare to normal person with 1% chance and you should know other disseases caused by smoking)...and if Smoking make you stronger..why that I don't see none of the true Thamizh Brave soldiers smoking?! The same thing apply to Drinking!

Next is speaking English! If it's Thamizh Cinema then it should be pure Thamizh! Is an English Cinema going to have Thamizh in it? No! Why? (although Thamizh is one of the 7 seven Oldest language in the World ..as accepted)...well the reason is that they don't respect our langauge and how can we blame them when we don't! Speaking Thamizh seem so cheap to these morons who live off by looting Thamizh in the name of Thamizh Cinema! The Government of TN doesn't care about it and not many Thamizhans talk of this issue..and so this stays in an advantage to non-Thamizh people as the Thamizh Cinema which could atleast help..although TN can't support the Thamizhans world-wide with Thamizh Education to keep the Thamizh generations speak Thamizh..unlike a Chinese can do..or a Jew or even an English men..Portuguese..even Urudhu and Hindi...but Thamizhans are left with no Identity..atleast these foolish Thamizhans in Thamizh Cinema could do something about it! What's so up with LOVE MOVIES? Is Love or girl loving a boy or a boy loving a girl or the subject Love is new to Thamizhan? Is there such need to free Thamizhans to 'loving' and to make Thamizhans understand what Love is?!! Even if so it's not the most IMPORTANT TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT! What about our rights and freedom? What about poverty and thirsty? What about History the past and the present and atleast a prediction of the Thamizhans future?! You can film

Sivaka SinthAmaNi..as a Film
You could talk about TN three kingdoms and their struggle to save Thamizhans..perhaps by doing it make the Cherars who have became as 'Malayalese' understand their roots! Or the Kolar Thanga Vayal history! Perhaps kauvery water crisis! Maybe how Chozha Empire spreaded! Perhaps a history about important sites in TN or in Thamizheezham! Perhaps about Thamizheezha history and the Thamizhans struggle there! There are lot and lot of things to be written..even about AIDS awareness! Education related movies! Thamizhan Poverty and the daily days of Thamizhans! Perhaps about local heroes and national heroes like PerunchithAthanar, periyar, perhaps even about Arijar. Anna. Maybe about Kumarikandam or the enslavement of Thamizhans world-wide, Thamizh Kings of the Past....and so on.

But these subjects don't rise ..the movie I seen Kauvery crisis was in the movie 'Thenral' which depicted some truths..why can't we have more movies like that to make Thamizhans realize a thing or two! Should the Thamizh Cinema also should make Thamizhans slave?


If a Director want to make money by putting English Sub title..I hope he goes to Holly Wood or Bolly Wood and does that there for the sake of himself and for the good of Thamizh Community! I also advice that these people stop using English texts in Thamizh Cinema (Show me an English Cinema with Thamizh Editing texts!) Also teach the foreign actress and actors about Thamizh and so on and have them a Thamizh Name..and what the heck is super star? What the heck is a name 'Vijay?' 'Rajini?' what the heck is 'Thirisa?' 'Ramba?' 'Simran?' are these names Thamizh? We don't have Thamizh womens in TN? Wow..where does these Thamizh Directors and producers come from? non-Thamizh background? All of them? They don't think their skin is good? They don't think their community womens shouldn't be in the Cinema? Then why the heck these fools are in THAMIZH Cinema? FOOLS!

I love Tamil , it is my mother tongue. One good way to spread Tamil is by putting subtitles to the movies screened abroad which will interest others to watch the movies , that is how Hindi is getting popular .

Hi, I have a small doubt,
Whether Tamil is originated from malayalam, or Malayalam is originated from tamil?
kindly clear my doubt.

Thanx & Regards

sanskrit branched out of her mother Tamil by exploiting
and interpolating on the ayutha ezhuththu.Creating two intermediary
order of consonents.
If one can intelligently remove some of these order from sanskrit
words
and replace them with tamil consonents we are looking at the mother
of sanskrit that is Tamil.
Eg:agni-fire
in tamil it can be fit as :
Agani=Aga+ni
ni might be referral to godly attribute sacredity,and Aga-fire
(horrific).We can try to interprete sanskrit sentences by applying
this method to prove it is an offshoot of tamil.
With 12 vowels and one neuter which is called as "ayutha
> ezhuththu"and 18 consonents it is by far the first attempt to
> systematise a language into the structured format.
> vowels A long and short vowels.
> All the 18 consonents are in the first order.
> The neutar or the ayutha ezhuththu was at the predevelopmental
stage
> of a structured language but it was clearly defined.
> consonenets could change its order to second by merely placing it
> appropriate placve in the word.
> At the start of the word the consonent is in thefirst order
> Eg:tha-nneer-cold water.
> Any where inbetween it acquires second order.
> Eghttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../icon_razz.gifawna-ga-m-sweet water.
> At the end of the word it is in the second order.
> Eghttp://www.discussworldissues.com/fo.../icon_razz.gifaw-gu-paw-du=discrminate.
> va-gu=(divide=split).
> The second orderof the consonent occuring in the middle and the end
> of the word can be reduced to first order by adding 1/2 sound of
> the same consonent before the consonent .
> Era-th-th-am-blood.
> pawr-pp-owm=let us see.
> paw-kk-u=beetel nut.
> Now we will see how the ayutha ezhuththu was exploited to produce
> sounds in sanskrit.
> ka-first order.
> kha-second order.
> ga=third order.
> gha-fourth order.
> The ha is not a consonent but a neuter or catalyst to produce
> intermediate orders.
> ayutha ezhuthu discovered by tamil helped later development of "ha"
> concept which sanskrit exploited .
> I personally feel Tamil was structured first in the world by the
> godlymen and is wholesome and complete dev bhasha and later
> developed so many languages as sanskrit.


the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows:
´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read
as "ottam"
In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same
occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can be
only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies this
like:
p,b.
t,d.
c,j.
k,g.
h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil.

most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h,
q=ku=k+u .
w=u+u
x=a+k+s
z=s+h+e+e.
À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle.
À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku'

Thamizh existed before and during and after Thiruvalluvar and it exists even now and it will in the future.

Kindly let me know the Origin of Thamizh Language and Thamizh letters. Is there a common dravidian language in before the Thiruvalluvar days?