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Old 08-13-2006, 07:00 AM   #1
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Should we publish a list of sensei who subscribe to this forum? I wouldn't want to be disrespectful to anyone who claims that title.

According to Harutane Chiba Sensei, the literal translation of "sensei" is "one who is born before". Since I'm over 50, does that mean that I shouldn't call my assistant sensei, 6th dan, renshi, who is 38 years old a "sensei"? I know that the term has come to mean "teacher" or "instructor" or "guide".

As a side note, I seem to recall reading that if a person claims a title for themselves, then it's just a title. The title should come from those who are of greater experience than the person claiming the title, similar to being promoted. We aren't promoted by our peers or our juniors, but those who are senior to us.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:00 AM   #2
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Isn't sensei just 5th dan or above??
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Old 11-13-2005, 07:00 AM   #3
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As I said, it has come to mean that, but the original meaning had nothing to do with rank. It came from two ideograms that might be translated as, "One who is born before.

Likewise, the English word "moot" used to mean "debatable", but nowadays, it's used to say that an argument won't be tolerated or heard.
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Old 09-18-2006, 07:00 AM   #4
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I am a makizushi godan.
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Old 06-10-2006, 07:00 AM   #5
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The original meaning has nothing to do with what you really mean. Sensei in Chinese has the same use as Mr., a honorific title in general. Nothing superior about it. Also that I have been calling my primary school teachers Sensei too - if you are refering to teachers.

Language evolves in different times and places... But stick to what you want to say.

As for claiming the title... Where is that Zaitoichi Ryu sensei when you need him...
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Old 01-04-2006, 07:00 AM   #6
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Should we publish a list of sensei who subscribe to this forum? I wouldn't want to be disrespectful to anyone who claims that title.

According to Harutane Chiba Sensei, the literal translation of "sensei" is "one who is born before". Since I'm over 50, does that mean that I shouldn't call my assistant sensei, 6th dan, renshi, who is 38 years old a "sensei"? I know that the term has come to mean "teacher" or "instructor" or "guide".

As a side note, I seem to recall reading that if a person claims a title for themselves, then it's just a title. The title should come from those who are of greater experience than the person claiming the title, similar to being promoted. We aren't promoted by our peers or our juniors, but those who are senior to us.
i think that´s a chracteristicall western-kind of thinking...hey i´m 5th dan, that´s why i´m sensei....sure most of people use the term "sensei" for the teacher/instructor, but as you told, being a sensei means more than that. a sensei is a kendo instructor and a kendo-life-teacher at the same way. he shows you how to handle difficulties in kendo life...when you´re down or injured, missed a examination etc. ... than he gives you that kind of mental support you need.

being 6th dan or above doesn´t mean that you are a sensei, but it´s one of the requirements which have to be fullfilled becoming one. a sensei has to be experienced and having a knowledge of life.

being a 6th dan doesn´t mean much in japan, they have thousands of them, a 6th dan is "just" a sempai, but in europe it means a lot (the way is longer than in japan)

well i don´t think it´s necessary to make a list....because it isn´t really important....i learn from everybody sensei, sempai or kohai....everyone of them shows me a different way of looking.

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Old 01-06-2006, 07:00 AM   #7
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As for claiming the title... Where is that Zaitoichi Ryu sensei when you need him...
Seriously! I was about to get my wallet to see if I could buy a plane ticket to his dojo and practice his Ryu...

But as to Joe's question...I suppose it could help some people. Perhaps some of the new people who join KWF might not know who they're talking to.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:00 AM   #8
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i think that´s a chracteristicall western-kind of thinking...hey i´m 5th dan, that´s why i´m sensei....sure most of people use the term "sensei" for the teacher/instructor, but as you told, being a sensei means more than that. a sensei is a kendo instructor and a kendo-life-teacher at the same way. he shows you how to handle difficulties in kendo life...when you´re down or injured, missed a examination etc. ... than he gives you that kind of mental support you need.
No, I think that it's actually this that is the, as you like to say, western-kind way of thinking. A sensei is a teacher. What you're describing is a mentor. A kendo teacher might also be one of these, but he doesn't have to. Although I'm not a fan of using Japanese terms when there are perfectly good English ones available, the word you are looking for that describes that kind of teacher is 'shishou'.
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Old 08-20-2006, 07:00 AM   #9
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According to Harutane Chiba Sensei, the literal translation of "sensei" is "one who is born before". Since I'm over 50, does that mean that I shouldn't call my assistant sensei, 6th dan, renshi, who is 38 years old a "sensei"? I know that the term has come to mean "teacher" or "instructor" or "guide".

As a side note, I seem to recall reading that if a person claims a title for themselves, then it's just a title. The title should come from those who are of greater experience than the person claiming the title, similar to being promoted. We aren't promoted by our peers or our juniors, but those who are senior to us.
Maybe the better question would be anyone who is:
  • The Senior, Primary, Associate or Only instructor in the dojo
  • Is at least 3+ dan
  • An instructor in an association/federation recognized/accredited dojo
Please identify yourselves.
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Old 10-09-2006, 07:00 AM   #10
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My question was tongue-in-cheek.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:00 AM   #11
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Should we publish a list of sensei who subscribe to this forum? I wouldn't want to be disrespectful to anyone who claims that title.

According to Harutane Chiba Sensei, the literal translation of "sensei" is "one who is born before". Since I'm over 50, does that mean that I shouldn't call my assistant sensei, 6th dan, renshi, who is 38 years old a "sensei"? I know that the term has come to mean "teacher" or "instructor" or "guide".

As a side note, I seem to recall reading that if a person claims a title for themselves, then it's just a title. The title should come from those who are of greater experience than the person claiming the title, similar to being promoted. We aren't promoted by our peers or our juniors, but those who are senior to us.
This is an interesting thread that you started Joe-San !

But going back to your original post... Why?

cheers
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Old 11-03-2005, 07:00 AM   #12
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Mark,

The answer is in your PM Inbox.

For everyone else, I am not going to identify the person who gave me reason to post this question. It would serve no purpose, and would only inflame an already regrettable exchange. Needless to say, it was done via PM, and I was not pleased with the way I was treated.

I remember a similar posting by Theodore in another thread, where he talked about having his knuckles rapped by the attending surgeon during a procedure. He dropped the retractor and walked out of the OR. He felt that the surgeon had not treated him like an adult, but rather like an unruly schoolboy. I'm not exactly a schoolboy myself, although I just graduated from college (again) 3 years ago. I'm not dropping kendo because of one person, but I don't have to stand for such treatment from anybody. My sensei doesn't treat me like that, so why should this person who doesn't even know me treat me in that manner?

Angry? You bet! Will I get over it? You bet! Does it matter to the rest of you? Not a bit! This was simply a catharsis for me, thank you all who participated.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:00 AM   #13
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Should we publish a list of sensei who subscribe to this forum? I wouldn't want to be disrespectful to anyone who claims that title.
How about not being disrspectful to anyone? That way you would be 100% sure of not offending the wrong people.
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Old 08-09-2006, 07:00 AM   #14
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How about not being disrspectful to anyone? That way you would be 100% sure of not offending the wrong people.
Absolutely! As you know, when we "rei" to our sensei, our sensei also performs "rei" to us, as well. You know, mutual respect...........
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Old 04-10-2006, 07:00 AM   #15
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I remember a similar posting by Theodore in another thread, where he talked about having his knuckles rapped by the attending surgeon during a procedure. He dropped the retractor and walked out of the OR. He felt that the surgeon had not treated him like an adult, but rather like an unruly schoolboy. I'm not exactly a schoolboy myself, although I just graduated from college (again) 3 years ago. I'm not dropping kendo because of one person, but I don't have to stand for such treatment from anybody. My sensei doesn't treat me like that, so why should this person who doesn't even know me treat me in that manner?

Angry? You bet! Will I get over it? You bet! Does it matter to the rest of you? Not a bit! This was simply a catharsis for me, thank you all who participated.
Oh boo hoo. Joke or not this thread is out of line. If they are 5 dan then you address them as sensei regardless of age.

So the question is what did you do?
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Old 03-13-2006, 07:00 AM   #16
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I asked a simple, polite question via PM. I was given a rebuke, not once, but twice.

As for 5th dan and above, I have no problem calling them sensei. I have a problem with someone 5th dan and above who rebukes me for asking a polite, pertinent, simple question.

I'm not going to say who it was, it's not necessary. The person who did it knows who they are.

I posted this thread because I wanted people to know that a feeling of "superiority" is present here on the forums. "I'm better than you because I'm such-and-such rank." If you feel it was out of line to post, why did you respond publicly to it? You could have PMed me and accomplished the same goal.

Since I'm probably not going to be on the forums much any longer, I'm not sure that it's all that important that you do respond.
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Old 10-23-2005, 07:00 AM   #17
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all this wasted discussion and still no senseis...not a very efficient list so far
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:00 AM   #18
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I asked a simple, polite question via PM. I was given a rebuke, not once, but twice.

As for 5th dan and above, I have no problem calling them sensei. I have a problem with someone 5th dan and above who rebukes me for asking a polite, pertinent, simple question.
There's 2 sides to every story and you still didn't answer the question. Apparently you do have some problem with calling someone sensei since that's what the thread is all about. Twice? Didn't get it the 1st time?
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Old 08-26-2006, 07:00 AM   #19
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I asked a simple, polite question via PM. I was given a rebuke, not once, but twice.

As for 5th dan and above, I have no problem calling them sensei. I have a problem with someone 5th dan and above who rebukes me for asking a polite, pertinent, simple question.

I'm not going to say who it was, it's not necessary. The person who did it knows who they are.

I posted this thread because I wanted people to know that a feeling of "superiority" is present here on the forums. "I'm better than you because I'm such-and-such rank." If you feel it was out of line to post, why did you respond publicly to it? You could have PMed me and accomplished the same goal.

Since I'm probably not going to be on the forums much any longer, I'm not sure that it's all that important that you do respond.
I hope that the attitude of one person is not going to keep you from posting here.
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Old 01-29-2006, 07:00 AM   #20
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Let see:

Marsten Sensei and Marsten Sensei
Genzwill Sensei
JByrd Sensei
Yamaguchi Sensei
Matsuda Sensei
Hyaku Sensei


I know many more are here but I don't remember
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