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**BitStillrhile** · 01-25-2010, 11:39 PM

OK, it's a little early..

However, Bahrain GP organisers have announced the race will take place on a longer, slower, (more boring) circuit than last year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81055

The new bit after turn 4 means that it's now the second longest circuit on the calendar after Spa. Not sure that adding six extra cars to the field really justifies using the extended circuit, which will probably be even worse on the brakes.

**toreesi** · 01-26-2010, 12:00 AM

I hope theres a bit of elevation in that new section as it does look very boring and slows the approach to the fast esses after it

**Foucceedo** · 01-26-2010, 12:30 AM

*checks calender*

*shrugs*

**Draftcasino.com** · 01-26-2010, 04:30 AM

wait and see for the first season, imo they didn't need to change the track.

**irrascaft** · 01-26-2010, 04:33 AM

agreed, but I generally like longer tracks. Lets see if these additions improve the course or not. I will reserve judgment until after FP1

**irrascaft** · 01-26-2010, 04:47 AM

old vs new

New Layout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ce_Circuit.svg

old layout

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...rix_Layout.svg

actually, I never liked that turn 5,6,7 stretch in the old circuit, so to me this seems like a good change.

**hauptdaunnila** · 01-26-2010, 05:02 PM

It'll be interesting to see how they set up downforce, now. They'll need some sort of compromise between high downforce for the twisty bits, long fast corner(s) and for braking into the hairpins, but if they go too high they'll lose on the straights and that might hurt them in the race.

**attishina** · 01-26-2010, 05:28 PM

Well Massa is known as the master of Bahrain so it'll be interesting to see how he manages the change. I welcome the variation to be honest as its always struck me as a fairly dull racetrack. The appealing feature for me is the difficult turn 19 which even caught Schuey out a couple of times. Hopefully the new section will produce one or two more chances to witness an overtake..

**Phywhewashect** · 01-26-2010, 06:59 PM

Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss.

I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener.

**MpNelQTU** · 01-26-2010, 07:20 PM

Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss.

I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener.

Totally agree. Bahrain is nothing special, and as a season opener err... with no one on the grandstands... some kind of fizzy stuff instead of champagne... one Tilkodrome more... but willing (and able) to pay much more than Albert Park.

**Theariwinna** · 01-26-2010, 08:08 PM

I'm just wondering whether we have taken away an overtaking opportunity into T4. There has been some good drag racing moments into that corner. Heidfeld overtaking Alonso in 2007 sticks in my mind.

Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss.

I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener.

The drivers like it, and is of the better Tilke creations.

There has been some good racing moments, better than in Melbourne.

Bahrain is criticised because it is not F1 country. Go to Australia or Brazil and you will get the party atmosphere to kick off the new season.

**attishina** · 01-26-2010, 09:07 PM

I'm just wondering whether we have taken away an overtaking opportunity into T4. There has been some good drag racing moments into that corner. Heidfeld overtaking Alonso in 2007 sticks in my mind.

I don't understand what you mean, as turn 4 remains unchanged? Its the section after which has been diverted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4yCPtcMIg

**Theariwinna** · 01-27-2010, 07:01 AM

I don't understand what you mean, as turn 4 remains unchanged? Its the section after which has been diverted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4yCPtcMIg

The exit appears quicker than the original configuration. This could possibly affect the racing line/corner entry-exit.

**MizzDaizzy** · 01-27-2010, 12:21 PM

Well Massa is known as the master of Bahrain so it'll be interesting to see how he manages the change. I welcome the variation to be honest as its always struck me as a fairly dull racetrack. The appealing feature for me is the difficult turn 19 which even caught Schuey out a couple of times. Hopefully the new section will produce one or two more chances to witness an overtake..

Yeah!! SchM must have found it very confusing, seeing the old circuit only had 15 turns.

**Anteneprorid** · 01-27-2010, 12:25 PM

Too bad the season opener is not until the Australian GP.

Well, at least for me, that is.

**MpNelQTU** · 01-27-2010, 06:41 PM

Too bad the season opener is not until the Australian GP.

Well, at least for me, that is.

I also try to do it, but it´s not the same...

**MizzDaizzy** · 01-27-2010, 07:33 PM

I also try to do it, but it´s not the same...

There is a very real upside to this for those at the GP. Sometimes we get very hot days around the second weekend of March, as experienced two years ago when there was a bloody heat wave.

However, by end of March, the possibility of heatwave conditions is very remote. So, on that basis, end of March is a much better time for the Oz GP.

By the same token, the second weekend of March tends to be cooler in Bahrain than the middle of the year.

**attishina** · 01-27-2010, 08:54 PM

The exit appears quicker than the original configuration. This could possibly affect the racing line/corner entry-exit.

It does look a little less sharp I agree. I'm not convinced it'll make alot of difference but I guess we'll soon see..

**irrascaft** · 01-28-2010, 08:51 AM

Totally agree. Bahrain is nothing special, and as a season opener err... with no one on the grandstands... some kind of fizzy stuff instead of champagne... one Tilkodrome more... but willing (and able) to pay much more than Albert Park.

err bahrain has always been very well attended..and the drivers like it.
I think the track had some very good overtaking opportunities and usually the races features a good number of them. Just because mass or whoever ran away with the lead does not mean that the track is dull., These new improvements are an addition to an already pretty good track. IMO

**Anteneprorid** · 01-29-2010, 12:34 AM

err bahrain has always been very well attended..and the drivers like it.
I think the track had some very good overtaking opportunities and usually the races features a good number of them. Just because mass or whoever ran away with the lead does not mean that the track is dull., These new improvements are an addition to an already pretty good track. IMO

The track may be fun for drivers, but it's a pretty boring GP to watch.

01-25-2010, 11:39 PM	#1
BitStillrhile Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Official Bahrain GP Thread! OK, it's a little early.. However, Bahrain GP organisers have announced the race will take place on a longer, slower, (more boring) circuit than last year. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81055 The new bit after turn 4 means that it's now the second longest circuit on the calendar after Spa. Not sure that adding six extra cars to the field really justifies using the extended circuit, which will probably be even worse on the brakes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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toreesi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 595 Senior Member	I hope theres a bit of elevation in that new section as it does look very boring and slows the approach to the fast esses after it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Foucceedo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	checks calender shrugs Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 04:30 AM	#4
Draftcasino.com Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 353 Senior Member	wait and see for the first season, imo they didn't need to change the track. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 04:33 AM	#5
irrascaft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	agreed, but I generally like longer tracks. Lets see if these additions improve the course or not. I will reserve judgment until after FP1 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 04:47 AM	#6
irrascaft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	old vs new New Layout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...ce_Circuit.svg old layout http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ba...rix_Layout.svg actually, I never liked that turn 5,6,7 stretch in the old circuit, so to me this seems like a good change. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 05:02 PM	#7
hauptdaunnila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 534 Senior Member	It'll be interesting to see how they set up downforce, now. They'll need some sort of compromise between high downforce for the twisty bits, long fast corner(s) and for braking into the hairpins, but if they go too high they'll lose on the straights and that might hurt them in the race. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 05:28 PM	#8
attishina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 823 Senior Member	Well Massa is known as the master of Bahrain so it'll be interesting to see how he manages the change. I welcome the variation to be honest as its always struck me as a fairly dull racetrack. The appealing feature for me is the difficult turn 19 which even caught Schuey out a couple of times. Hopefully the new section will produce one or two more chances to witness an overtake.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 06:59 PM	#9
Phywhewashect Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 537 Senior Member	Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss. I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 07:20 PM	#10
MpNelQTU Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 592 Senior Member	Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss. I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener. Totally agree. Bahrain is nothing special, and as a season opener err... with no one on the grandstands... some kind of fizzy stuff instead of champagne... one Tilkodrome more... but willing (and able) to pay much more than Albert Park. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 08:08 PM	#11
Theariwinna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 730 Senior Member	I'm just wondering whether we have taken away an overtaking opportunity into T4. There has been some good drag racing moments into that corner. Heidfeld overtaking Alonso in 2007 sticks in my mind. Agreed, Bahrain has always been quite dull IMO, and not the best place to start the season. A few changes wouldn't go amiss. I'd much prefer the season opener to be Melbourne but I guess they weren't prepared to pay for the privilege and Bernie doesn't want a middle of the night race as the season opener. The drivers like it, and is of the better Tilke creations. There has been some good racing moments, better than in Melbourne. Bahrain is criticised because it is not F1 country. Go to Australia or Brazil and you will get the party atmosphere to kick off the new season. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-26-2010, 09:07 PM	#12
attishina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 823 Senior Member	I'm just wondering whether we have taken away an overtaking opportunity into T4. There has been some good drag racing moments into that corner. Heidfeld overtaking Alonso in 2007 sticks in my mind. I don't understand what you mean, as turn 4 remains unchanged? Its the section after which has been diverted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4yCPtcMIg Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 07:01 AM	#13
Theariwinna Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 730 Senior Member	I don't understand what you mean, as turn 4 remains unchanged? Its the section after which has been diverted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU4yCPtcMIg The exit appears quicker than the original configuration. This could possibly affect the racing line/corner entry-exit. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 12:21 PM	#14
MizzDaizzy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	Well Massa is known as the master of Bahrain so it'll be interesting to see how he manages the change. I welcome the variation to be honest as its always struck me as a fairly dull racetrack. The appealing feature for me is the difficult turn 19 which even caught Schuey out a couple of times. Hopefully the new section will produce one or two more chances to witness an overtake.. Yeah!! SchM must have found it very confusing, seeing the old circuit only had 15 turns. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 12:25 PM	#15
Anteneprorid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	Too bad the season opener is not until the Australian GP. Well, at least for me, that is. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 06:41 PM	#16
MpNelQTU Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 592 Senior Member	Too bad the season opener is not until the Australian GP. Well, at least for me, that is. I also try to do it, but it´s not the same... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MizzDaizzy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 566 Senior Member	I also try to do it, but it´s not the same... There is a very real upside to this for those at the GP. Sometimes we get very hot days around the second weekend of March, as experienced two years ago when there was a bloody heat wave. However, by end of March, the possibility of heatwave conditions is very remote. So, on that basis, end of March is a much better time for the Oz GP. By the same token, the second weekend of March tends to be cooler in Bahrain than the middle of the year. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 08:54 PM	#18
attishina Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 823 Senior Member	The exit appears quicker than the original configuration. This could possibly affect the racing line/corner entry-exit. It does look a little less sharp I agree. I'm not convinced it'll make alot of difference but I guess we'll soon see.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 08:51 AM	#19
irrascaft Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 412 Senior Member	Totally agree. Bahrain is nothing special, and as a season opener err... with no one on the grandstands... some kind of fizzy stuff instead of champagne... one Tilkodrome more... but willing (and able) to pay much more than Albert Park. err bahrain has always been very well attended..and the drivers like it. I think the track had some very good overtaking opportunities and usually the races features a good number of them. Just because mass or whoever ran away with the lead does not mean that the track is dull., These new improvements are an addition to an already pretty good track. IMO Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-29-2010, 12:34 AM	#20
Anteneprorid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	err bahrain has always been very well attended..and the drivers like it. I think the track had some very good overtaking opportunities and usually the races features a good number of them. Just because mass or whoever ran away with the lead does not mean that the track is dull., These new improvements are an addition to an already pretty good track. IMO The track may be fun for drivers, but it's a pretty boring GP to watch. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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