[suingincentix]

Vancouver still is the BC coast, no?

[RealCHEAPsoftDOWNLOAD]

Why can't the pipeline go further south to a port not considered so sensitive? Cost? BC's terrain doesn't really permit a N/S Pipeline. Easier to supply Vancouver from the south than it is to supply them from the north.

A west-east pipeline as Enbridge has proposed is far easier to lay down and shortens the pipeline distance from the Patch to China and the Far East substantially.

Heck, they wanted the Railroad through here, not through southern BC which is ridiculously difficult to travel across.

[viawbambutt]

I thought you were joking.

The purpose of the pipeline is to feed China's growing appetite. Sending it to Ontario does not do that.

[TeftyJokip]

I wasn't talking to you Ben. Question asked, question answered.

Edit:

**** Ontario and **** Iggy.

[jq0AFTTC]

...Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff announced Monday.

Once again, trying to give up any possible votes from Alberta I guess.

What an *******.

Who? Michael Ignatieff ? You mean Михаил Игнатьев?
It's obviously a Russian conspiracy.

Those supertankers are going to be increasingly important to the Canadian economy. China is a ****ing booming market. They're building a massively expensive pipeline from Alberta to BC to specifically load up supertankers and ship it to China.

Even the threat of doing this is ****ing up all kinds of ****.

Well done Misha.

[Chito]

Oil for babes?

I might be persuaded on this approach.

[outfinofulpv]

The guy with the Russian first name and last name is the Liberal Leader in Canada who wants to execute a decision that will harm Canadian economy and Asher still have doubts whether he is a Russian plant or not?
Nice work GRU.
Dumb Canadian gays

It's not just his name.

His Russian forebears include the aristocratic families of Bibikov, Galitzine, Ignatyev, Karamzin, Maltsev, Meshchersky, Panin, and Tolstoy, and encompass many members of the old service nobility. His paternal grandfather, Count Paul Ignatieff, served as the last Tsarist Minister of Education (1915–1917), whose reputation as a liberal reformer led to his being spared from execution by the Bolsheviks. His patrilineal great-grandfather was Count Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev, the Russian Minister of the Interior under Tsar Alexander III, who is considered the architect of modern Bulgaria's independence from the Ottoman Empire. Via the latter's wife, Ignatieff descends from Field Marshal Kutuzov whose victory over Napoleon's Grande Armée at Smolensk in 1812 saved Russia from foreign subjugation.

[nAKMzyBN]

Thankfully you killed all your Rurikovichs.

More likely to work the other way. The Queen herself has a pretty high claim through Iaroslav the Wise.

[Phighicle]

And to prevent your and Asher's further questions - it's my 10TH beer.happy now? Sh!T, YOU DON'T even have a decent soccer team. SuccCERS

[offinoNem]

That's what I'm talking about - we can use that (though some dumb Ukranian so-called scientists separate Yaroslav and Kiev Rus from Russia, which is bullsh!t of course). Royal marriages works both ways. Except for the fact that she'd be Queen of England and all the Russias.

She could tell Putin to get lost, and canadians would control Russian oilfields.

Besides, why our old dynasty, not Romanovs? I believe her uppermost inheritance is through Yaroslavl.

[DrJonson]

And to prevent your and Asher's further questions - it's my 10TH beer.happy now? Sh!T, YOU DON'T even have a decent soccer team. SuccCERS

Even the gays in Canada think soccer is too gay.

[Uhmavano]

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/busin...890/story.html
Battle brewing between Alberta, Ottawa over oil sands exports
By Jason Fekete, Calgary Herald June 23, 2010


The federal and provincial Tory governments are mired in a sticky oilsands battle over exporting the resource, with Ottawa maintaining it will prohibit bitumen shipments to countries like China with lax climate-change policies.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper initially made the surprise policy announcement during a 2008 federal election stop in Calgary -- a pledge that would stonewall the Stelmach government's plans to diversify its energy markets and ship Alberta oilsands to China through the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline.

Harper said his government would halt the flow of unprocessed oilsands and jobs to countries with greenhouse-gas emission standards weaker than Canada's, with China thought to be in the crosshairs.

The policy was to take effect in January, although it would only apply to new export deals and not affect existing contracts.

This week, federal Environment Minister Jim Prentice, a Calgary MP, said the Conservative government is holding to its promise and expects Alberta to follow Ottawa's lead.

The lucrative resource and associated jobs shouldn't be fleeing Canada, especially if it's a loss of investment dollars to countries that are environmental laggards, he said.

"We are bringing into place very responsible carbon reduction policies and we don't want to see a situation where we lose Canadian jobs, lose investments in Canada," Prentice said in an interview with the Herald.

"This would be a classic case of carbon leakage where another country has lower standards and therefore you leak your jobs and investment to another jurisdiction," he added. "We've been quite adamant about that and continue to be adamant about it."

Ottawa's reaffirmation of its bitumen policy comes as the Chinese government's top officials land in Canada this week for the G20 summit in Toronto, but also at a time when oil giants from the Communist country pump billions into the oilsands.

China Investment Corp., Sinopec and PetroChina have all bought stakes in the oilsands since last fall.

Premier Ed Stelmach, who travelled to China last month on a trade mission, has said the country is critical to Alberta's energy future.

Alberta only exports its oilsands to the United States, which is expected to adopt similar climate-change policies to Canada.

"With the global economic shift, we must prepare to take advantage of a market three times the size of the U.S., a market that will remain hungry for energy -- energy that we can provide," Stelmach said recently. The premier and Energy Minister Ron Liepert weren't available for comment on Tuesday.

Key to Alberta's export strategy is Enbridge's plans to build a controversial pipeline, which would carry bitumen from northern Alberta to the port of Kitimat, B.C., where it could be transported by tanker to Asia for upgrading and refining.

The $5.5-billion Northern Gateway project is being reviewed by the National Energy Board and could be operational by 2016.

Enbridge officials said the pipeline is designed to open new markets, but believe the conflict could be a moot point as China reduces its environmental footprint from oil and gas development.

Don Thompson, president of the Oil Sands Developers Group, said petroleum producers want to expand their markets and ship oilsands to destinations beyond just the U.S. However, he said "the other way around it" is for companies to upgrade the bitumen in Alberta and send the synthetic crude down the pipeline to Asia.

The head of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers said the federal policy has been a "back burner issue." While industry supports more upgrading in Canada, the federal government "should not set up barriers to exports," said CAPP president David Collyer.

Harper made the bitumen announcement during one of his only stops in his hometown during the 2008 federal campaign, insisting it was "the right thing to do for our environment and our economy."

The policy manoeuvre could, however, put Ottawa and Alberta on a constitutional collision course. Policy analysts believe the federal government may have the upper hand -- with it responsible for international trade, ports and many environmental regulations -- although the promise remains a bit of a head-scratcher.

"It seemed to come out of the blue. It wasn't clear where it was coming from and why the prime minister made it," said Roger Gibbins, president of the Canada West Foundation, a Calgarybased think-tank. "It didn't seem to be a thoughtful or considered move."

jfekete@theherald.canwest.com

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