[zzarratusstra]

Who are those conservatives? As one example, in the US, the left was in power and negotiated Kyoto.

To a European, Democrats are still conservatives...

[Aagotiq]

A couple of pieces that seem appropriate for this thread...

'Apocalyptic climate predictions' mislead the public, say experts

Experts at Britain's top climate research centre have launched a blistering attack on scientific colleagues and journalists who exaggerate the effects of global warming.

The Met Office Hadley Centre, one of the most prestigious research facilities in the world, says recent "apocalyptic predictions" about Arctic ice melt and soaring temperatures are as bad as claims that global warming does not exist. Such statements, however well-intentioned, distort the science and could undermine efforts to tackle carbon emissions, it says.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...leading-claims

Dark Green Doomsayers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021302514.html

[Meenepek]

Nothing wrong with the Guardian so long as you factor in their ideological tilt. Same thing goes for the NYT.

[Foriaelalse]

The team warned that, if carbon levels in the atmosphere continued to rise, there would be less rainfall in already dry areas of southern Europe, North America, parts of Africa and Australia. but one of the ways the oceans release heat is thru evaporation which increases rain and snow fall. How do they know where droughts will occur or if rainfall will increase or decrease?

[Nurfzerne]

4.6/10

the correct term to use these days is "climate change"; that way, you can use it even when the climate is getting colder.

[YpciJQdo]

To a European, Democrats are still conservatives...

Actually, republicans are liberals, just like the democrats, social-democrates, green party.... anyone who thinks only in the categories of capitalism is, and they all do.

[greekbeast]

but one of the ways the oceans release heat is thru evaporation which increases rain and snow fall. How do they know where droughts will occur or if rainfall will increase or decrease?

Droughts are bad. Global warming makes bad things happen. Therefore, global warming causes droughts.

Haven't you been paying attention? It's the same damn argument. Whatever you bring up, the hens all start clucking about how it doesn't work that way, and there won't be any benefits at all, and only horrible things will happen, and it's all our fault.

My understanding is that the poles are supposed to warm the most, while the equatorial regions will have the least change. The overall globe will warm, but the changes in temperature between latitudes will decrease. If that's true, wouldn't it diminish cyclonic storms?

[TSVIDeo]

The science behind the climate models is in its infancy; you have no idea how many assumptions they make and whether those assumptions are justified.

[Abraham]

You seem to assume all change will be negative.

The NW Passage opening up would be a boon to trade between Europe and Asia. I'm sure there are other possible positive effects, like longer growing seasons over large amounts of the Earth's surface in Northern Canada and Russia.

The last time there was such an influx of fresh water into the North Atlantic was 30,000 years ago. It ushered in a mini-Ice Age into Europe, which was the golden age of the Neanderthals. We're now fresh out of Neanderthals, so having continental Europe covered in snow is not a good thing.

And if oceans continue to rise at the current rate, by the end of the century, Manhattan, Venice, Shanghai, Calcutta and numerous other cities will be under water.

[Ettiominiw]

And if oceans continue to rise at the current rate, by the end of the century, Manhattan, Venice, Shanghai, Calcutta and numerous other cities will be under water.

So build a big wall. Lots of coastal cities and regions are below sea level. Aren't you guys in favor of stimulative public works projects? Build the Manhattan dike. Make New Amsterdam more like Old Amsterdam. It makes more sense to fix a problem when it arises than it does to imagine problems that don't exist and pushing through insanely expensive programs to fix what ain't even broken.

[VonErmad4]

don't you live in Manhattan?

[rsdefwgxvcfdts]

don't you live in Manhattan?

Yes. I speak from experience.

[vNGiDaFX]

Manhattan, Venice, Shanghai, Calcutta and numerous other cities will be under water.

Venice is the only one to miss on that list. To be fair only lower Manhattan would flood. I imagine the popularity of building a dike to protect Wall Street would be rather low at the moment.

[offemyJuccete]

at this point I don't know what to do. I heard google searches cause global warming too. And it's just distressing. What am I supposed to do? live in a cave? But even my methane emissions are contributing to global warming.

Seems like the only way for me to cut global warming is to kill myself. But instinct prevents me from doing that.

I simply refuse to live in a cave. I support carbon restrictions, but they'd have to be pretty severe to fix what we've already done.

And lastly, I'm an optimist. I like to think once the oil runs out, things will eventually get back to normal (may take thousands of years, but it will).

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/...cle5489134.ece

[Pheddytrourry]

SANTA FE, N.M. - Former astronaut Harrison Schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served New Mexico in the U.S. Senate, doesn’t believe that humans are causing global warming.
That would be former Republican Senator Harrison "Jack" Schmitt, who is a notorious far right conservative. There's a good book called The Men Who Fell to Earth, which will tell you a lot of what you might want to know about him.

I'd be wary of saying that astronauts are the font of all wisdom. Jim Irwin went looking for Noah's Ark, and Ed Mitchell believes in UFOs and New Age mysticism. Schmitt is sane compared to those two, but he's still a bit of a political operator.