[spamkillerf]

Life for some people of Grimsby, United Kingdom is interesting.

The culture of "CHAVS" who turned Burberry from a mutli million dollar business into a kitsch label that people are now afraid to wear for fears of looking like "chavs" is fascinating.

There are chav towns and centres all around London and the UK as seen from this website: http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/index.php

This fascinating docu-drama that aired on the BBC about 2 Chavs in the town of Grimsby gives some indication of life in a "chav-town" in the UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kd7HRH6ODU

Enjoy it, Yeah?

[poekfpojoibien]

Look at my fayce..do ah look bovvered?

Yeh bu'..naw bu'..yeh bu'




Hey Greggy, what's the deal with your UK 'thing'? Did a copper give you a cavity search once?Were you turned down by too many lasses? there's a real animus there under the jibes....Enquiring minds want to know!!!

[AnimeThat]

Hi Lucca. Yes I am interested in the UK culture. Its fascinating how people there "200 years after the transportation to the colonies age" can be so stratified and talk so openly talk about class. No cavity searches or UK girls turning me down* but I do have a fascination of the English gents and ladies that I meet like I do with say carnival folk (Carnies), eccentric, interesting and Great Entertainment!

Just search the web for some forums that talk about English expats who are living in Scotland or Wales or Ireland. They talk about open racism towards them (and towards the inhabitants of their new countries). There is a reason for that - The English Crown raped and killed their neighbours for over 800 years.

Can you imagine that Ireland needed to go to war with England in the 1920s to be able to get rid of the English government and control their own country? I find that astounding! And the English thought that Ireland would collapse without them there. That is supreme arrogance at a time when colonialism should have been a thing of the past.

And then if you are "a ginger" (ginger coloured hair) and walk down a street in London it is not uncommon that people will openly insult you for being a Celt. It hasn't happened to me because I dont have ginger hair and don't live there - my family escaped 150 years ago (Thank the Almighty).

The Chav culture is very interesting. It is a small component of the UK but it's there.

Amazing how people who spend 1000s of pounds on Burberry clothing with the distinctive tan coloured tartan cant wear it now. Because every chav in the UK is wearing identical fake Burberry and the rich dont want to be associated with the chavs. This has led to a dramatic decline of Burberry sales. Amazing how a few chavs can bring down (what was once) a fashion empire.

The Chav culture is very interesting. It is a small component of the UK but it's there.

Amazing how people who spend 1000s of pounds on Burberry clothing with the distinctive tan coloured tartan cant wear it now. Because every chav in the UK is wearing identical fake Burberry and the rich dont want to be associated with the chavs. This has led to a dramatic decline of Burberry sales. Amazing how a few chavs can bring down (what was once) a fashion empire.

PS * I don't usually date UK women. Once you've dated some elegant slavic girls (who speak more than just 1 language and who dont feel the need to eat food like us Westerners) its hard to go back.

[7HlBQS8j]

Hi Lucca. Yes I am interested in the UK culture. Its fascinating how people there "200 years after the transportation to the colonies age" can be so stratified and talk so openly talk about class. No cavity searches or UK girls turning me down* but I do have a fascination of the English gents and ladies that I meet like I do with say carnival folk (Carnies), eccentric, interesting and Great Entertainment!

Just search the web for some forums that talk about English expats who are living in Scotland or Wales or Ireland. They talk about open racism towards them (and towards the inhabitants of their new countries). There is a reason for that - The English Crown raped and killed their neighbours for over 800 years.

Can you imagine that Ireland needed to go to war with England in the 1920s to be able to get rid of the English government and control their own country? I find that astounding! And the English thought that Ireland would collapse without them there. That is supreme arrogance at a time when colonialism should have been a thing of the past.

And then if you are "a ginger" (ginger coloured hair) and walk down a street in London it is not uncommon that people will openly insult you for being a Celt. It hasn't happened to me because I dont have ginger hair and don't live there - my family escaped 150 years ago (Thank the Almighty).

The Chav culture is very interesting. It is a small component of the UK but it's there.

Amazing how people who spend 1000s of pounds on Burberry clothing with the distinctive tan coloured tartan cant wear it now. Because every chav in the UK is wearing identical fake Burberry and the rich dont want to be associated with the chavs. This has led to a dramatic decline of Burberry sales. Amazing how a few chavs can bring down (what was once) a fashion empire.

The Chav culture is very interesting. It is a small component of the UK but it's there.

Amazing how people who spend 1000s of pounds on Burberry clothing with the distinctive tan coloured tartan cant wear it now. Because every chav in the UK is wearing identical fake Burberry and the rich dont want to be associated with the chavs. This has led to a dramatic decline of Burberry sales. Amazing how a few chavs can bring down (what was once) a fashion empire.

PS * I don't usually date UK women. Once you've dated some elegant slavic girls (who speak more than just 1 language and who dont feel the need to eat food like us Westerners) its hard to go back.

I wouldn't call it a fascination, but a seemingly morbid fetish that needs to be cut out.

And I don't think you can be talking about conquering and killing when the US afterall has been doing the same. The Native Americans weren't for instance a part of a willing genocide.

Interesting to point out that there is a growing movement in the UK and Ireland itself to re-unite under a common banner. As someone who is half Irish and half English, but a British citizen I welcome it!

My girlfriend has ginger hair - and? And the insult for having ginger hair isn't because of being celtic, but because its a different colour from the 'normal' blonde and brunette.

And if it isn't harsh enough for you - Burberry sales have been growing strongly (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5171570.stm) at 19%. You can thank demand in Asia for that.

May I suggest that you stop relying upon Wikipedia and actually make a visit to Britain for once. That and actually do some research before posting.

The chip on your shoulder is obvious and does a great dis-credit to the good nature of the other New Yorker forumers who don't make things up.

[kaysions]

I wouldn't call it a fascination, but a seemingly morbid fetish that needs to be cut out.

And I don't think you can be talking about conquering and killing when the US afterall has been doing the same. The Native Americans weren't for instance a part of a willing genocide.

Interesting to point out that there is a growing movement in the UK and Ireland itself to re-unite under a common banner. As someone who is half Irish and half English, but a British citizen I welcome it!

My girlfriend has ginger hair - and? And the insult for having ginger hair isn't because of being celtic, but because its a different colour from the 'normal' blonde and brunette.

And if it isn't harsh enough for you - Burberry sales have been growing strongly (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5171570.stm) at 19%. You can thank demand in Asia for that.

May I suggest that you stop relying upon Wikipedia and actually make a visit to Britain for once. That and actually do some research before posting.

The chip on your shoulder is obvious and does a great dis-credit to the good nature of the other New Yorker forumers who don't make things up.

Nick how about settling the **** down. How about posting something about Chav culture in the UK after viewing the documentary. Dont give us vitriol - give us some insights.

The business about being a ginger is more than just being red haired. You know that in London people commonly call scots and irish "gingers" - I have spent enough time there and know enough London people to know this. I didnt know about some kind of Pan-Celtic movement accross Britain and Ireland if that is what you are talking about. "Pan-Britannic" makes no sense as Ireland is not part of Great Britain.

The issue of Britain in Ireland really does deserve another topic. But as you have raised it please understand that people are not so ignorant so as not to know what the Norman British did in Ireland, (also Scotland and Wales) for the last 800 years.

In the meantime, here's an article on Burberry vs the Chavs and how Burberry had to abandon its traditional designs for fear of the chavs eroding its image. Speaking Japanese I cannot recall any of my Japanese girl friends who already have 4 Louis Vuitton bags and who are looking for something different to buy (eg Burberry, Coach etc) knowing about the UK Chav Phenomena myself.

[Adamdjeffe]

Touched a nerve have I! :laugh:

Yet I did give you insights; insights into your flawed ideas of what happens in the UK. What exactly is your fascination with the UK though; you haven't explained really why! I bet its something really humiliating - I could actually imagine you (and I bet others have imagined something along these lines) that you were jilted at the altar by your best man (a charming Brit) running off with your not-to-be wife who ended up being pregnant wit your best man's child!

No I don't know that most people in London call Scots and Irish "gingers". I simply think you're getting your wires confused - having ginger hair is the insult, not being Scottish or Irish with ginger hair.

I don't even believe that you have been to the UK, let alone anyone from London - your inaccuracies throughout your post history are glarringly obvious.

Where would it be a pan-celtic/pan-britannic movement. Its based more upon Ireland joining the UK to have a larger say in EU affairs. Personally I'd swap Ireland for Scotland; nicer country, nicer people and better future.

And? I'm half Irish and? The vast majority of people don't have a mindset stuck 800 years in the past and are more concerned with the present and future circumstances. I'd also add that surely you are contradicting yourself - because Britain is England, Wales and Scotland. Britain attacking itself - you surely meant England attacking Wales and Scotland and Ireland. :laugh:

Still relegated by the fact that sales figures for Burberry are growing eh? :laugh:

Prada I should note is now the in-chav fashion. Infact buying authentic Prada clothes and having price tags attached to them is the 'in thing'. Louis Vuitton is next I suspect.

[illignocearia]

Touched a nerve have I! :laugh:

Yet I did give you insights; insights into your flawed ideas of what happens in the UK. What exactly is your fascination with the UK though; you haven't explained really why! I bet its something really humiliating - I could actually imagine you (and I bet others have imagined something along these lines) that you were jilted at the altar by your best man (a charming Brit) running off with your not-to-be wife who ended up being pregnant wit your best man's child!

No I don't know that most people in London call Scots and Irish "gingers". I simply think you're getting your wires confused - having ginger hair is the insult, not being Scottish or Irish with ginger hair.

I don't even believe that you have been to the UK, let alone anyone from London - your inaccuracies throughout your post history are glarringly obvious.

Where would it be a pan-celtic/pan-britannic movement. Its based more upon Ireland joining the UK to have a larger say in EU affairs. Personally I'd swap Ireland for Scotland; nicer country, nicer people and better future.

And? I'm half Irish and? The vast majority of people don't have a mindset stuck 800 years in the past and are more concerned with the present and future circumstances. I'd also add that surely you are contradicting yourself - because Britain is England, Wales and Scotland. Britain attacking itself - you surely meant England attacking Wales and Scotland and Ireland. :laugh:

Still relegated by the fact that sales figures for Burberry are growing eh? :laugh:

Prada I should note is now the in-chav fashion. Infact buying authentic Prada clothes and having price tags attached to them is the 'in thing'. Louis Vuitton is next I suspect.

This is not tit for tat Nick How about settling the **** down for once.

What about viewing the documentary and showing us some of your personal or other insights into chav culture.

Norman Britain did attack Ireland (although at the behest of the English Crown under which it had been subjugated), Scots and Welsh conscripts and prisoners and mercenaries also were used. Ireland has never been part of Britain if you are talking about English constitutional law. Its the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Great Britain being England Scotland and Wales. There has been more of a fragmentation of late in the UK, with Scotland now having its own parliament in the proper sense for the first time in history. But please Nick, can we leave this interesting history for another post?

Im more interested in which chav insight, if any, you can give us.

[Joesred]

Another nerve touched! I'll be able to get the entire vulgar vocabulary at this rate by midnight (GMT of course)!

I don't need to watch any documentary to be able to comment on chavs - I'm bound to see a few each day. In the US you'd call them trailer trash, except they don't reside in trailers (those tend to pikeys) and can actually be worth millions.

I personally don't have any time for them, but they don't hassle me so I don't hassle them.

I already stated that Britain was England, Wales and Scotland.... Ireland in the British Empire sense, it was the United Kingdom of Britain and Ireland. Today it is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In the future I'd like to see it become the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Republic of Ireland.

While devolution to create the Scottish Parliament is new, Scotland has had its own Parliament for centuries (with more controls on how it runs itself than today) previous to the Acts of Union in 1707.

[irridgita]

Myself, I have spent many a happy afternoon (betwwen "lunch" and "tea-time" dontchaknow?, wearing knock-off Burberry regalia and insulting celts while eating cornish pasties and being an aristocratic, imperialist snob. I wear a bowler hat and pin-stripe suit and always carry a brolly. I, say, rather, what, what?

You know what's kinda sad, Gregster? The stupider and more ignorant amogn the Brits have similarly ridiculous pre-conceptions about the 'septics' (Septic Tank = Yank in rhyming slang...how funny ).

I have no toruble believing you may have spent the odd day in Piccadilly Circus. Travel does indeed narrow the mind. Like people I have met who went to Paris, liked the town ("but you wouldn't want to lvie there") but thought the food sucked.......

P.S. I was calm and settled when I wrote this.

P.P.S. Are you a native New Yorker or where do you hail from?

[viagsjicguara]

Gotta be a woman in the picture.

[iroxmxinau]

I didnt know that Chavs were the same as "trailer trash". They are people who live dead set in the middle of normal towns including London. Walk down any street in London and you may see one.

Just a hint - reference to chavs is just that - reference to chavs. We are not criticising or enquiring about you, not your family, not the UK. This topic isnt about you. Its about cHaVs.

So, dont be so defensive about some of the people in the UK (if that is where you are from). Its natural to cringe and feel defensive if this is the case. Dont. Tell us your insights about Chavs.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...g/DSC09286.jpg

[sarasmid]

Another nerve touched! I'll be able to get the entire vulgar vocabulary at this rate by midnight (GMT of course)!

An Englishman proud of GMT no less! Now that's patriotism.

I've never heard of anyone at Greenwich having a mean time myself....but anyway....

[TughEmotteTug]

I didnt know that Chavs were the same as "trailer trash". They are people who live dead set in the middle of normal towns including London. Walk down any street in London and you may see one.

Just a hint - reference to chavs is just that - reference to chavs. We are not criticising or enquiring about you, not your family, not the UK. This topic isnt about you. Its about cHaVs.

So, dont be so defensive about some of the people in the UK (if that is where you are from). Its natural to cringe and feel defensive if this is the case. Dont. Tell us your insights about Chavs.

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k7...g/DSC09286.jpg

The difference is that while trailer trash is kept in trailers, in the UK we don't have such low-class accomodation. The lowest you can go is homeless or a council home (think of a project' but not as run-down, rat infested or as crime ridden). Most chavs reside in council homes, but you get the occasional millionaire or celebrity chav. One of the most wealthy chavs has his own demolition debry circuit on his estate, but most go around in their barried up vauxhall novas. I doubt that there are any chavs living in Central London - far too expensive and not of the right 'scene'.

Yet I enquire as to why you are so fixated about the UK - you have yet to explain why you appear obsessed!

I am infact not from the UK, but I am a British citizen and no I'm not a Londoner.




Nothing wrong with GMT - its the center of time as we know it. London so happens to be its epicenter.

[squicscor]

I dont have an obsession with England or the UK but I have heard from several people there that it is the centre of the world so its not surprising you can have a mean time in Greenwich.

More about Chav Culture, less about off topic things please, except more about that Lord who had his own tv show for a while what was his name?

[tinamasak]

There have always been hoodlums in Britain: leather boys, skinheads, Teddy boys, chavs... Only surface manifestations of style change. The constant is, they're all punks.

[tetMitshisk]

The constant is, they're all punks.

and God Bless 'em ...

[styhorporry]

^ Glorification of conflict. Much of the world has bought the message.

[sabbixsweraco]

1. I second Zippy’s motion…

2. I agree with Ablarc that there is a cost to the glorification / reification of conflict, even when it is admittedly infantile and essentially a pose. Better than actually shootin’ folks down though. The US still has a shameful murder rate.

3. I know good folks who live in trailers. I detest the phrase ‘trailer trash’. It says a lot more about the utterer than the people it’s supposed to describe.

4. “Chavs” is simply the current name for youths who have the insolence to display, with arguably unjustified pride, the fashion markers and tribal signs of (lower) class consciousness. Not my set, really, but like most amateur reprobates and miscreants, the threat is not even a minute fraction of what the press hysteria would have you believe. People from NYC (or L.A., if we’re talking about “gang members”) should know that. Then again, I’ve found that there’s little to be lost and much to be gained from treating the folks from the council houses like they’re human beings.

[TpDoctorOneTp]

4. “Chavs” is simply the current name for youths who have the insolence to display, with arguably unjustified pride, the fashion markers and tribal signs of (lower) class consciousness. Not my set, really, but like most amateur reprobates and miscreants, the threat is not even a minute fraction of what the press hysteria would have you believe. People from NYC (or L.A., if we’re talking about “gang members”) should know that. Then again, I’ve found that there’s little to be lost and much to be gained from treating the folks from the council houses like they’re human beings.

Interesting comments Lucca. Glad you've stopped the personal attacks. We weren't talking about you after all, we were talking about CHAVS.

Lower class consciousness signs, like Burberry knock-offs? What else do Chavs sometimes wear?

I for one have never seen a gang myself, except in the movies.

[letittbe]

Interesting comments Lucca. Glad you've stopped the personal attacks.

Well....It's not my fault you have such a...ehm..."show-business" avatar..

Lower class consciousness signs, like Burberry knock-offs? What else do Chavs sometimes wear?

Popoular 'lower-class' culture globally, but especially in Britain, is influenced (often obliquely0 by the "hip-hop" ethos, incuding blatant aspirational aspects; so if a mass brand becomes, somehow, "street" it may be adopted by 'chavs' and the like. In teh specific case of Burberry, there is also a nationalistic assocaition and the fact that it sieasily recognizable.

Chavs wear:
> Burberry knock-offs
> Expensive gymwear
> There is a limited Perry Ellis revival
> very tighly pulled ponytails (croydon facelift) and large hoop earrings for girls
> Obvious logos and St. George's Cross symbols

It's important to note, though, that imitation or cross-adoption of styles goes in both hierarchical directions (hence the "mockney" phenomenon), so chavness is often a matter of imitating, in chaper way, 'fashionable' wear or posher types adopting some 'street' fashions. Hackett made a fortune producing pseudo-English symbology of higher wuality/cost for horray henrys throughout England.

Very short hair, which 20 years ago was common only among skinheads is the norm for many people now. Women at the office wear spike heels that used to be sported only by the likes of Betty page.

I for one have never seen a gang myself, except in the movies.

You mean Warriors" was not a documentary???