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**somamasoso** · 08-23-2008, 07:29 PM

Qualifying starting in a minute.

The track looks really good to me, should make for a good race tomorrow.

**Pznrrmaf** · 08-23-2008, 07:33 PM

Already tuned in thanks

was watching the replays of all the screw ups and my god there have been a lot!, if it continues that way it should be a real interesting race

**Druspills** · 08-23-2008, 07:38 PM

Just got back in time [thumbup]

**somamasoso** · 08-23-2008, 09:06 PM

would have loved to see vettel get pole or soemthing. anyway im looking forward to the race. hopefully button can move through the pack.

**Âåðåùàãèí** · 08-23-2008, 09:06 PM

Great qualifiying, but I can see a safety car or two tomorrow! Track looks very unforgiving in places, and overtaking is sure to be risky.

Hamilton doesnt look good on the softer tyres, he looks like he's going to drop it at every other corner.

Well done Vettel and Trulli, great drives for 6th and 7th.

**Pznrrmaf** · 08-23-2008, 09:21 PM

We should embrace ourselves for a hell of a race tomorrow guys

**Anavaralo** · 08-23-2008, 10:41 PM

Vettel should have went all out in the final qualifying. But i guess if theres a safety car and he isnt involved I think he'll be in good shape for some decent points.
If Massa gets away at the start i dont think he will be beaten, final qualifying proved that his car has great race pace.

**JNancy46** · 08-24-2008, 08:17 PM

Someone needs to warn when these things are on!

Alonso's out.

**somamasoso** · 08-24-2008, 09:19 PM

what a crap pit system ferrari have. second incident looked like KR's fault anyway.

**inve.tment** · 08-24-2008, 09:25 PM

******* double standards, if that was McClaren they would have been docked 6 points and given a stop/go penalty [cursing] Why the hell wait til the end, he should be given a penalty right now, he nearly freaking hit that other driver! [cursing]

**JNancy46** · 08-24-2008, 09:27 PM

And Kimi's engine explodes.

Poor *******. Just a miserable season for him.

"Maybe Kimi has started a bit earlier"

Translation : Kimi f***ed up.

**Pznrrmaf** · 08-24-2008, 09:41 PM

Hmmm... very difficult to judge Massa's incident, it is true that it seems the very few times Ferrari does something against the rules they don't get as heavily penilized as the other.

On the other hand, Massa drove a brilliant race and deserved the win especially after the last race. Also, I want to see Hamilton win... but not that way[no]

**AngelBee** · 08-24-2008, 09:49 PM

I kinda doubt Ferrari will get away with that pit lane incident. Not after the Raiks botched pit stop as well.

Probably get a 5 or 10 place penalty for the next race. [yes] But he also could get a time penalty and have to hand back his trophy.

**Anavaralo** · 08-24-2008, 09:53 PM

Doesnt take the FIA long to give McClaren a penalty but they cant make a straight forward decision on a pit release that was clearly unsafe when it comes to Ferrari...they need a whole day for that. Just because Massa had the reflexes and ability to prevent a crash from happening DOES NOT justify anything, if there was a crash people could have been hurt in the pit lane. And the injury of the fuel rig man should not be taken lightly either. If the FIA dont take action what kind of message are they sending out with regards to safety ?

**Pznrrmaf** · 08-24-2008, 10:01 PM

Just heard Massa speaking on the press conference and he has done himself no favors there. In his view he should have been let past, which shows no knowledge of the rules. It will be interesting to see how this situation will pan out

**usaguedriedax** · 08-24-2008, 10:44 PM

Just heard Massa speaking on the press conference and he has done himself no favors there. In his view he should have been let past, which shows no knowledge of the rules. It will be interesting to see how this situation will pan out

The silly boy, he HAD to give way to the other car, no ifs or buts.
I did notice that as soon as they were on the track, proper, he was let past.

**Evsltkzl** · 08-24-2008, 11:11 PM

The Ferrari Investigation Agency strike again!

Weak [no]

Massa gets fined but keeps victory
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=43713

**somamasoso** · 08-24-2008, 11:27 PM

a fine is pathetic. FIA suck balls sometimes.

**Evsltkzl** · 08-24-2008, 11:39 PM

a fine is pathetic. FIA suck balls sometimes.

Yeah, I mean Alonso got a fine for just crossing the markings entering the pit, yet the same punishment is handed out for unsafe driving?

I can't help but feel if it was a McLaren involved it would have been a drive through penalty or maybe a 10 place grid drop the following race.

**somamasoso** · 08-24-2008, 11:42 PM

yeah, tbh i dont think the fIA have the ball's to make a decision against ferrari sometimes.

08-23-2008, 07:29 PM	#1
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	F1: European GP - Valencia Qualifying starting in a minute. The track looks really good to me, should make for a good race tomorrow. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 07:33 PM	#2
Pznrrmaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Already tuned in thanks was watching the replays of all the screw ups and my god there have been a lot!, if it continues that way it should be a real interesting race Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 07:38 PM	#3
Druspills Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 353 Senior Member	Just got back in time [thumbup] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 09:06 PM	#4
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	would have loved to see vettel get pole or soemthing. anyway im looking forward to the race. hopefully button can move through the pack. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 09:06 PM	#5
Âåðåùàãèí Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 510 Senior Member	Great qualifiying, but I can see a safety car or two tomorrow! Track looks very unforgiving in places, and overtaking is sure to be risky. Hamilton doesnt look good on the softer tyres, he looks like he's going to drop it at every other corner. Well done Vettel and Trulli, great drives for 6th and 7th. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 09:21 PM	#6
Pznrrmaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	We should embrace ourselves for a hell of a race tomorrow guys Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2008, 10:41 PM	#7
Anavaralo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Vettel should have went all out in the final qualifying. But i guess if theres a safety car and he isnt involved I think he'll be in good shape for some decent points. If Massa gets away at the start i dont think he will be beaten, final qualifying proved that his car has great race pace. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 08:17 PM	#8
JNancy46 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	Someone needs to warn when these things are on! Alonso's out. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:19 PM	#9
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	what a crap pit system ferrari have. second incident looked like KR's fault anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:25 PM	#10
inve.tment Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	******* double standards, if that was McClaren they would have been docked 6 points and given a stop/go penalty [cursing] Why the hell wait til the end, he should be given a penalty right now, he nearly freaking hit that other driver! [cursing] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:27 PM	#11
JNancy46 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	And Kimi's engine explodes. Poor *****. Just a miserable season for him. "Maybe Kimi has started a bit earlier" Translation : Kimi f*ed up. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:41 PM	#12
Pznrrmaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Hmmm... very difficult to judge Massa's incident, it is true that it seems the very few times Ferrari does something against the rules they don't get as heavily penilized as the other. On the other hand, Massa drove a brilliant race and deserved the win especially after the last race. Also, I want to see Hamilton win... but not that way[no] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:49 PM	#13
AngelBee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 462 Senior Member	I kinda doubt Ferrari will get away with that pit lane incident. Not after the Raiks botched pit stop as well. Probably get a 5 or 10 place penalty for the next race. [yes] But he also could get a time penalty and have to hand back his trophy. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 09:53 PM	#14
Anavaralo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 460 Senior Member	Doesnt take the FIA long to give McClaren a penalty but they cant make a straight forward decision on a pit release that was clearly unsafe when it comes to Ferrari...they need a whole day for that. Just because Massa had the reflexes and ability to prevent a crash from happening DOES NOT justify anything, if there was a crash people could have been hurt in the pit lane. And the injury of the fuel rig man should not be taken lightly either. If the FIA dont take action what kind of message are they sending out with regards to safety ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 10:01 PM	#15
Pznrrmaf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	Just heard Massa speaking on the press conference and he has done himself no favors there. In his view he should have been let past, which shows no knowledge of the rules. It will be interesting to see how this situation will pan out Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 10:44 PM	#16
usaguedriedax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 596 Senior Member	Just heard Massa speaking on the press conference and he has done himself no favors there. In his view he should have been let past, which shows no knowledge of the rules. It will be interesting to see how this situation will pan out The silly boy, he HAD to give way to the other car, no ifs or buts. I did notice that as soon as they were on the track, proper, he was let past. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 11:11 PM	#17
Evsltkzl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 506 Senior Member	The Ferrari Investigation Agency strike again! Weak [no] Massa gets fined but keeps victory http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=43713 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 11:27 PM	#18
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	a fine is pathetic. FIA suck balls sometimes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 11:39 PM	#19
Evsltkzl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 506 Senior Member	a fine is pathetic. FIA suck balls sometimes. Yeah, I mean Alonso got a fine for just crossing the markings entering the pit, yet the same punishment is handed out for unsafe driving? I can't help but feel if it was a McLaren involved it would have been a drive through penalty or maybe a 10 place grid drop the following race. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2008, 11:42 PM	#20
somamasoso Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	yeah, tbh i dont think the fIA have the ball's to make a decision against ferrari sometimes. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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