[healty-back]

Originally posted by DanS
I'm just curious as to how this young man could have misunderstood. Nobody in front of him put the wafer in their pocket. And nobody after.

If he's ever been to church, he will have never seen such a thing. He must be awfully creative. That doesn't mean something is wrong. After all, all those folks are trying to save their "eternal souls!" They want absolution right away. Might die and have to go to purgatory in the next second.

[TolleyBoymn]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
None taken.

The Catholic church believes in the real presence, in that after the bread and the wine is consecrated by the priest during the mass, that the bread and the wine becomes the body and blood of Christ himself.

This is why it is such an issue, that so long as that wafer is there and has been consecrated, it's truly Christ's flesh.

This is also why anyone who isn't a Catholic should not take communion in the Catholic church, because they do not believe in the Real Presence. Okay, that is all fine and you have explained well why it is such a big deal. But surely it should be up to the church to punish the offender in their own terms rather than the uni. Perhaps excommunication from the church would be more suitable than expulsion from his school?

[DoctorDulitlBest]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Ask yourself what would happen if someone were caught spraypainting a synagogue with a swatstika. Not . the . same . thing . at . all . you . ****ing . moron.

[Signabeademia]

Where did you hear that? 'Taint so. The RCC is in our eyes heretical (Immaculate Conception, Filioque, infallibility, etc.) and Catholics are NOT allowed to receive; From your standpoint. In ours you are in communion, and you folks are permitted to take communion with us.

WRT to the question of the Real Presence, there is no difference between either the Catholic or Orthodox.

There's no problem from the Catholic end since IIRC you consider us merely schismatic, not heretical. That is all I meant. Sorry for not clarifying.

[I9dydJrX]

Cook refused to return a wafer he accepted but did not swallow during a June 29 service at UCF. The wafer, once consecrated, is considered sacred and must be immediately consumed, according to church teachings. Cook, who reportedly was raised Roman Catholic, has said he did not realize he was required to swallow the wafer right away and merely wanted to show it to a friend. Am I the only one that thinks he should be expelled for being stupid?

[DioraMoostebeers]

Because he sounds incredibly stupid based on his reasoning? He wanted to show a wafer to his friend? :wtf:

[Petwrenny]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Because he sounds incredibly stupid based on his reasoning? He wanted to show a wafer to his friend? :wtf: How long has it been since you've been in college? I'm pretty sure when you were there you knew plenty who weren't exactly geniuses.

[zabiqapara]

Adults who enter would be confirmed first, but that's an accident of the liturgy. Since the eucharist comes at the end and the other sacrements come earlier it just works out that way.

The typical cradle to grave order of sacrements would go something like:

1)Baptism
2)(1st) Confession (~7 years old)
3)(1st) Eucharist (~8 years old)
4)Confirmation (~13 years old)
5)Matrimony or Holy Orders
6)Extreme Unction

Ages were what I was for them. Confession is tightly linked to the Eucharist because you're supposed to go through with a clean moral slate. They're set at about 7 or 8 years old because that's the age the Church feels children should be able to distinguish between right and wrong.

Confirmation is more of a coming of age ritual, like a bar mitzvah. It's the official adulthood for the Church, e.g. any confirmed male is technically eligible for the papacy.

[oemcheapdownload]

All it says is a 'mass held on campus'.

http://causa-nostrae-laetitiae.blogs...-from-ucf.html

This confirms that Cook is in fact a Catholic, which changes the picture considerably.

I'm trying to find out what they mean by 'campus mass'.

[Mmzmptvk]

http://www.ccmknights.com/ccmWeb2007/directions.php

Tuberski:

You are correct! Good job.



Everything falls into place now. It all makes sense to me.

[erepsysoulperj]

Anyway, I don't think this guy should be expelled. There are times to stick up for yourself and times to let it slide. This is one of those times to let it slide.

[Ephedrine]

They gave the wafer to him, so it was his wafer. Why couldn't he store it for later use?

[Savviioor]

Is someone calling Jesus a cracker?@!

[GueseVekdet]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
There's no reason why a child couldn't be confirmed at the age of Reason. As far as I can see, that's the only limitation, in the Latin rite, that you can't be confirmed prior to 7. Beyond that, it's entirely up to the family and the priest. You're right on that. I was talking about what's typical around here. I know somebody from the Pilippines who had them all at the same time as a kid. There the bishop would come around to the parish once every few years and all the kids would get them all together.

[Cajlwdvx]

BEN KENOBI WTF!!???

Again, no real person could be such a total and utter douchebag loon...

C'mon, own up - whose DL is this?