[marketheal]

Doesn't seem to have phased Hamas.

[251EPyso]

You guys do realise every Islamic extremist with half a brain is being quiet about this hoping Obama gets elected?

[Talicoabilk]

Most won't mind. Quit worrying!

The whole issue is being brought up by fear mongerers (sp?).

Is there any source from the muslim world available where present day people have brought up Obama's supposedly 'defection' as a reason to oppose the US?.


I hate to say the phrase, but if you change your vote because of this, then the terrorists have won a great victory.



To point: Obama was Muslim. Now he is Christian. Under Sharia law, that's a huge no-no. It's kinda like becoming a Satan worshipper in the West.
This is utter bullshit BTW. In no way a christian is comparable to Satan among muslims.



The more I think about it, the more scared I get from the OP. Is this really a trend in the US?

[Haibundadam]

Originally posted by Thue


You seem to have a noncommittal relationship with truth... Not Obama.

His father, I distinctly remember someone saying he was atheist or at least a non-practicing Muslim.

[*Playergirl*]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


You are a bit of a fool thanks. educate me.

And according to Sharia law it dosen't matter that Obama never considered himself a Muslim, if his father had a Muslim father, then he is considered Muslim despite supposedly being an atheist. And if his father was Muslim (even if he became an apostat) Obama is still automatically considered Muslim.

Could you tell me where I find this in Sharia Law?

And now Obama is an atheist? This is news for me too. Can you tell me where to find that as well?

[stadiaKab]

no one sensible in the muslim world will think Obama is an apostate, including the Iraninans

[Kafuuil]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


I've already corrected you, please read my posts. I do read your posts. It's not my reading that's confusing, it's your writing, as you yourself have shown.

His father, I distinctly remember someone saying he was atheist or at least a non-practicing Muslim.

And this is all the proof you need?


Now, answer my question: Make your case citing Sharia Law why Obama needs to die.

[avaiptutt]

Originally posted by germanos
And this is all the proof you need? Sorry I was wrong, his father was Muslim, making the case for Obama even stronger.

Obama senior

[Toninvell]

Do you know an actual Muslim who says these ridiculous things that you're attributing to them?

I should add that even if Obama's father were a Muslim (he was an atheist), and even if you choose the most conservative interpretation of Islamic law possible, it's completely nullified due to the fact that his father left him and his mother (so religious jurisdiction defaults to her, a non-Muslim).

[avappyboalt]

What are you talking about? That's Obama's grandfather.

[arriftell]

I repeat, do you know an actual Muslim who believes the nonsense that you're attributing to them?

[Kryfamid]

BTW Should Obama deny he ever was a Moslem (which I would be inclined to belive), it will compound the problem in the eyes of Moslems. He was born of a Moslem father, raised by a Moslem stepfather, and received his first education at a Moslem school. That he later went to a Catholic school in Jakarta before living with his mother’s parents back in Honolulu makes little difference. In the eyes of Sharia and most belivers, he originally was a Moslem. How can they not consider him such in those eyes, with a Koranic first name and his middle name that of the grandson of Mohammed?

[yasalaioqe]

Yes I do, and its in the original post.

The 20th century theologian Abul Ala Maududi


And yes it is nonsense but it is a mainstream part of Islam. I was speaking, personally. That's the argument, after all. Not what some fringe whackjob believes, but how Muslims in general perceive his candidacy.

And I still don't see where he called Obama an apostate.

Again, do you personally know any Muslim who believes this nonsense?

[SawbasyWrab]

Originally posted by Ramo

And I still don't see where he called Obama an apostate.
He didn't I was just attirbuting the quote to him, since you asked where the quote was from.

[VIAGRAENLINOBARATOCAMPRAR]

Originally posted by Ramo
I didn't ask that. Will you answer my actual question? What is the acutal question?
Originally posted by Ramo
Do you know an actual Muslim who says these ridiculous things that you're attributing to them?
I tought you wanted me to attibute the quote.

Again you have provided no logical loophole for Obama not being an apostate Muslim in the eyes of the law.

[ceagstuntee]

Originally posted by germanos
I'm going to end this discussion, it's not going to get us anywhere. I'm sorry you don't have the authority to do so. Unless you are a mod and I am not aware of you being one.

[Annevecenqp]

Originally posted by Heraclitus


I'm sorry you don't have the authority to do so. Unless you are a mod and I am not aware of you being one.

[Escamsrasiush]

What is the acutal question? I tought you wanted me to attibute the quote.

Again you have provided no logical loophole for Obama not being an apostate Muslim in the eyes of the law. You speak of Islamic jurispudence is a unitary thing. It isn't. Your Qur'an quote, for instance, is considered to be a bad English translation and is devoid of context (the punishment was referring to political treason).

Once again, even in conservative circles of Islamic jurispudence, the fact that Obama's father abandoned him gives his mother, a non-Muslim, religious jurisdiction.

And I stated my question multiple times:
Again, do you personally know any Muslim who believes this nonsense? As in have talked with a person, and they told you that Obama is an apostate. And that apostates should be killed?

[marcusdexz]

No, it doesn't.

Will you answer my question?

[Cwvnyfsj]

Originally posted by Ramo
No, it doesn't. How do you know? Are you a legal expert? If you are I conceed but point out that fundamentalists disagree with classical interpretations which they see as currupted.