[Twelearly]

They basically say they'd put the U.S. on full war-footing, which it currently isn't. WELL, IT DAMN WELL SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW. This is a "global" war on terrorism, isn't it?! Hell, you wouldn't know it stateside aside from the military families and occasional parades and somber funerals.

You pansies aren't even in a real war at the moment and you're still tearing each other apart over it. America would collapse if you put yourselves on a full war-footing...

[cut sifted ephedra sinica]

He's an idiot, except about Rummy.

[Uplillacype]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
They basically say they'd put the U.S. on full war-footing, which it currently isn't. WELL, IT DAMN WELL SHOULD BE RIGHT NOW. This is a "global" war on terrorism, isn't it?! Hell, you wouldn't know it stateside aside from the military families and occasional parades and somber funerals.

You pansies aren't even in a real war at the moment and you're still tearing each other apart over it. America would collapse if you put yourselves on a full war-footing... Color me confused, Drake. Just what nationality are you? Seriously. I thought you were an expat American educator earning a living in Japan?

Gatekeeper

[AliceFromHouston]

You know, a nuclear Iran doesn't really bother me that much; the Iranians liek to sabre-rattle, but their actually pretty savvy realpolitik players.

But a nuclear Saudi would scare the bejeesus out of me, not because teh House of Saud can't be trusted with nukes, but because the House of Saud can't be relied on to stay in power. And God help us all if the elements who want to dethrone the Saudis get nukes.

[Mello]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
But a nuclear Saudi would scare the bejeesus out of me, not because teh House of Saud can't be trusted with nukes, but because the House of Saud can't be relied on to stay in power. And God help us all if the elements who want to dethrone the Saudis get nukes.

A nuclear Saudi Arabia isn't really any more concerning than a nuclear Pakistan is... I dunno. The Arab "street" is a lot crazier than the Pakistani "street," and there are at least some forces of moderation in Pakistan.

[carfAball]

The Arab "street" is a lot crazier than the Pakistani "street,"



You must be thinking of a different Pakistan than I am...

[rolex-buy]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
One inevitably leads to the other. Not in any obvious way. Iran and Saudi are rivals, not allies, and Persians and Arabs have no love for each other. Beyond their common hatred of Israel, they don't have much to say to each other, andn each would like to be the recognized leader of Islam in the Middle East.

[pkopwqzsdcvbn]

So am I. Just saying Saudi Arabia wouldn't be any more worrying than Pakistan already is...

[Zavdpacq]

Originally posted by Edan


I think that's his point. I guess I don't understand who would arm the Saudis; they certainly don't have the brains or talent to start their own nuke program.

Actually, now that I think about it, we probably would, in another stellar display of the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend diplomacy.

[theatadug]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Iran and Saudi are rivals, not allies, and Persians and Arabs have no love for each other. That would be the reason an Arab state like the Saudis would seek nuclear weapons in the likely event of the complete failiure of the EU led negotiations to get Iran to halt it development. What's your point?

they certainly don't have the brains or talent to start their own nuke program. They have the money. That buys a lot of brains and talent. The Russians for instance seem perfectly willing to kick start the Iranian nuclear program for money. I'm sure the House of Saud can cut a similar deal.

[LINETFAD]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I thought you were from Kansas or something.

[gfkasjhfg]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
But a nuclear Saudi would scare the bejeesus out of me, not because teh House of Saud can't be trusted with nukes, but because the House of Saud can't be relied on to stay in power. And God help us all if the elements who want to dethrone the Saudis get nukes.

A nuclear Saudi Arabia isn't really any more concerning than a nuclear Pakistan is... True, but both a nuclear SA and a nuclear Pakistan is more of a concern than either separately Every additional country with nukes is an additional risk.

[Diandaplaipsy]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Liberty Leading the People

[aaafluochugh]

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Not in any obvious way. Iran and Saudi are rivals, not allies You contradicted yourself in a span of 12 words.

[Gubocang]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
What exactly is surprising about that? Y'know, I suppose there isn't anything inherently strange about, say, your average man in the street calling a four-star general an idiot. But if it comes down to whose word I would trust more in an argument, odds are, I'd go with the guy with the stars on his shoulder boards over, say, the average man in the street. Especially if all the latter can do to the former is call him an idiot.

Gatekeeper

[twiffatticy]

Oh, c'mon: nuclear Turkey would rock.

[first_pr]

I think it all began with a nuclear Israel.

That doesn't compute.

Your country helped them on that, remember?

Yes, but we're not exactly a paragon of morality on this issue. We helped Iraq too...