[cheaploans]

Great song, Spec, didn't know you had it in you.

Two people touching lips
Hands on each other's hips
Nothing else in the world but one another

The 42nd floor
On a distant shore
I wonder how we've strayed so far from this

Remember when we were
Just flesh and bone
You sir may have forgotten how good your world can be

So, put down your hollow tips
And kiss your lovers lips
And know that fate is what we make of it

Please end this, please end this
Before this ends us, ends us, end us

I wanna stay inside
I wanna stay inside for good
I wanna stay inside
For good, for good, for good, for good , for good, for good, for good

I read the news today
And everything they say
Just makes me want to stay inside and wait

But the better part of me knows
That waiting in the throws
Is on par with reading with my eyes closed

"What Can I do?", You say
"It's just another day
In the life of Apes with ego trips"

Put down your hollow tips
And kiss your lover's lips
And know that fate is what we make of it

Please end this, please end this
Before this ends us, ends us, end us

I wanna stay inside
I wanna stay inside for good
I wanna stay inside
For good, For good

ohh, ohhh, ohhhh oooo
ohhh oooo, oh
ahhhh

I'm gonna stay inside
I'm gonna stay inside for good
I'm gonna stay inside
For good, for good

I wanna stay inside
I wanna stay inside for good
I wanna stay inside
Don't want to stay inside for good
Don't wanna stay inside, for good, for good, for good, for good, for good, for good, **** off, for good, for good, for good, for good

[insightmike]

This sounds like a situation where a psychologist could help. At the very least identifying the issues is important and should be something they can assist with if she can't identify them on her own.

JM

[estelle]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
This sounds like a situation where a psychologist could help. At the very least identifying the issues is important and should be something they can assist with if she can't identify them on her own.

JM I saw on a couple of sites where they said that hypnosis could help....Do you guys believe in that?


I kind of dont...But I naturally doubt pretty much anything that is not black or white at first glance...


Spec.

[DaleJrGirl]

It can, but I wouldn't mess with it. Basically it 'cures' something by forcing your mind to do something. Really I don't like my mind being forced to do anything. Let me understand the problem, and then it can be fixed...

So basically I would recommend seeing the 'real' doctor first. If (s)he is any good they will try to determine what is causing it. With that information further actions can then be decided.

Jon Miller

[Âåðåùàãèí]

Originally posted by Asher
She probably just has a generalized anxiety disorder. That just appeared out of nowhere?

Why?

Spec.

[yK2VgoEI]

Originally posted by Spec
That just appeared out of nowhere?

Why?

Spec. Any traumatic events recently?

She does live in Quebec?

[Idorsearogele]

Anxiety disorders are I believe based on brain chemistry imbalances, so it's possible something stopped working properly (either due to some disease, or just stopped working properly over time). There are a lot of medicines that can help (though some are safer/less harmful than others...)

[somasideff]

You really need to see a doctor or shrink ASAP.

A comrade (aged something like 70) has a gravely anxious/agoraphobic wife. It wrecks both their lives. She can barely leave home at all. And he can't leave her for more than an hour before she has an anxiety crisis.

Look for a cure as soon as you can, before it's too late.

[chinesemedicine]

Is it a fact that agoraphobia (or whatever causes this anxiety) is extremely more frequently found among women?

In this thread, only women who show this disorder have been mentioned, I myself know one tragic case that led up to suicide and 2-3 less severe cases of this kind of disorder - all women.

[Laqswrnm]

Yes she has, but more than a year ago.

Spec.

[michael247]

Originally posted by Spec
Yes she has, but more than a year ago.
Spec. Could be a factor, unfortunately. Such anxieties can be persistent.

[JessePex]

Usually, is this medication permanent? If not, when the treatment stops, are there any side effects?

Spec.

[apodildNoli]

Originally posted by Spec
Usually, is this medication permanent? If not, when the treatment stops, are there any side effects?

Spec. Im not actually a doc (I could play one on TV though) I dont know any general rules about the treatment of agoraphobia, and my knowledge of general anxiety disorder is heavily anecdotal. My understanding is that anxiety problems can be alot more chronic than depression, and some folks probably would be best off being on SSRIs or similar meds permanently. OTOH i suppose if someone could use the time on meds to make changes to their environment, their life, to reduce stresses and sources of anxiety, that could reduce their symptoms, depending on how much their anxiety is triggered by externals. So then they wouldnt need meds anymore. Though i find anxious people can always find SOMETHING to be anxious about, no matter what their life position is.


As for side effects, most of them are associated with taking the med, and IIUC go away when the med is gone. Although the most common side effect is weight gain, and that obviously doesnt just disappear - you have to do all the usual weight loss stuff to get rid of it. Sounds more like youre worried about a rebound or "addiction" type effect. From what ive read amon SERIOUS types there isnt any addiction effect from SSRIs (old style tranquilizers are of course a totally different story) . There may be some rebound, but thats usually dealt with by easing off the med, and doing so while in weekly therapy.

[xIuvyAuT]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


Yes and Yes. Very last resort.

I do think that things should be used when they can still act... but chemistry shouldn't be used unless it is really needed.

JM well at least you're consistent. Lots of folks arent though.


But you dont know what is really needed, unless you try everything else first. And since depression and anxiety disorder are dynamic things, which make real life worse, and then are worsened by real life in a vicious cycle, waiting to be certain doesnt seem like a winning strategy to me.

[seperalem]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
What galls me is folks who think - Im depressed or suffering an anxiety disorder. Wont get meds its not the last resort, let me try taking walks in the sunshine. Oh, I lost my job, I'll try therapy, but it wont be frequent, because I cant afford it any more. Oh, I can hardly get out of bed my home is a mess, ive lost all contact with the world, im suicidal, hey maybe I should try meds? Damn, Ive taken an SSRI, and I still dont have a job, and my home is a wreck, and ive lost all my friends, damn this SSRI hasnt solved my problems, SSRIs are the suxors. More often than not the problem is the other way around. I was on an antidepressant before I ever even knew I was depressed. I wasn't sleeping well, went to a doctor, he sent me to a psychologist, he talked to his psychiatrist colleague, and voila... I get Zoloft and some sleeping meds. (Then shortly after, some nasty reactions to the Zoloft, Anaphranil. And nothing changes...)

Most of the kids I knew in hospitals were that way too. Showed some abnormality (personality?) and their parents and/or shrinks had never taken the time to actually try to address the problems, the kids get pills for symptoms. The kid is acting out, it's ADHD, so you give them ritalin... timid and shy, anxiety, give them paxil... closed off and despondent, depression, well that's what prozac's for... moody, bipolar, lithium will fix that right up... yah, right. The sad thing is that it was rather obvious what the problems were in most cases after just a few minutes of talking with the kids... a lack of parental involvement in their lives, or parental abuse, were by far the most common problems... but that years of meds and avoidance had left meds and hospitalizations as the only options.

Chemical imbalances can exacerbate things, and meds can help address that... but that is usually only a small part of the problem. (The really nasty stuff like schizo and psychotic aside...)

As for coffee... I've never drank a cup in my life. I've had caffeine in sodas occassionally, but never drank them for the caffeine except since I was a teenager, and then only on road trips. Don't do that anymore either, fruit juice (and not eating drive through crap) keeps me more alert anyways. I haven't even taken an asprin or tylenol in over a decade.

Meds are for when the other options don't work. The difference between what I mean when I say that, and your "timeline" is that you're including avoidance of any treatment until it's too late. Of course that's not going to work, but it isn't a problem inherent with wanting to try other options before meds. A good therapist, given some time, will figure out if you need meds or not. And that time is necessary before anyone could know the right meds anyways. That's why it's the last option. (At least common option... hospitalization, ECT, restraints... those come later still of course.) There's just no point in skipping the analysis process and starting with the "cure".

[YabbaIn]

Sounds to me like she's in an abusive relationship.

[mobbemeatiedy]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Or passive-aggressive. Remember this started when he was out of her sight. She's just trying to exert control over you, Spec. Obviously, it's completely outlandish that a panic attack would occur while she's alone...

[sbrscnds]

DinoDoc, she's not that kind of girl...I stay away from that kind of girl. Beleive me, I have no patience for that kind of none sense. And I dont doubt her one bit.

She is going for an evalution next monday with a psycologist. She wants to get rid of this ASAP.

I'll keep you guys posted.

Spec.

[reachmanxx]

Originally posted by Spec
She is going for an evalution next monday with a psycologist. She wants to get rid of this ASAP.

[QuidQuoPro]

It could be anxiety disorder.

I know someone who got over it and he now leads a very productive life. He created a popular TV show here.

OTOH, a good friend of mine has it, but he seems to be stuck with it for life. It can be debilitating, but he sorta learned to live with it. His wife left him ages ago and he's been alone ever since. I just wish he got better. That's not a life.