[Elitiachirl]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp


Which is why they all adopt the official state religion of Britain, and British dress codes, presumably. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.

The only difference is the lack of militants. That's it.
The second generation on does adopt British dress.

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp

"Anything goes", as in imposing your cultural whims forcibly on others, is not multiculturalism. It's fascism. The difference, as I'm sure you'll appreciate, is crucial.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. "Anything goes" refers to the tolerance of anything whatsoever done by somebody in the name of respecting his culture.

[brulpcoersero]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
The basic problem with the multicultural model in the UK is that it encourages difference and what sets people apart, rather than what people have in common.

Wedded to this is the victim mentality which encourages people to portay themselves as downtrodden ("help, help, I'm being repressed"). Throw in some self-righteous anger and you have the ingredients for discord. QFT


Multiculturalism:

Melting pot Assimilationism:

[yharmon6614]

Originally posted by aneeshm


The second generation on does adopt British dress.
Is that the rule? Are you the rules guy? Is it cheating if they adopt it early, or late?

I could introduce you to third-geberation Sikhs who still wear turbans. That doesn't stop them being praised for the contribution to multiculturalism, does it?

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. "Anything goes" refers to the tolerance of anything whatsoever done by somebody in the name of respecting his culture. That's acquiesence in the face of fascism. It's still not multiculturalism. See the quotes above.

Note that Britain has not made of habit of bending its laws to accommodate cultural norms that differ from native ones. You can't get a legally-valid polygamous marriage. You can't legally buy your sacred cannabis. You can't stone people to death for adultery.

So I really don't know where your bizarre notions of British multiculturalism come from, unless you're one of those poor souls who thinks the Torygraph is a reliable source of news.

[DoniandaCoado]

NYTimes

Monday, June 06, 2005
New Report Finds Britain is "Hideously White"

All socially aware people have long suspected it, the line-up at the upcoming Live 8 concerts has highlighted it, but now a report to be released today by the Committee on Racial Affairs has confirmed it: Britain is “hideously white”. The report found that upto 91% of the population of Britain is white. “This can’t go on,” said Dr Donald Watkins, who co-authored the report. “I find it offensive that in this day and age so many people in Britain are white. It is a disgrace.”
.....Institutions, such as the BBC, have been reprimanded before on precisely this issue. The new report, however, makes it clear that the problem is not confined to institutions: the problem extends all the way down into wider society. Indeed, the hideous whiteness of institutions is an accurate reflection of society at large. As Prof. Tetherton, a sociologist at the University of East Anglia, explains, “Because 91% of the population is hideously white, it means that the institutions naturally tend to take on the same horrific hue. If we are serious about tackling the problem, we must eradicate it at the root. Only this way can we create a freer, more equal society.”
.....Chris Martin, of the popular beat combo Coldplay, was unsurprised by the findings: “Most of my teachers at school were white, most of the people in my street were white, even my parents were white. I think it’s disgusting. People don’t seem to realise just how offensive it is. And when you consider that most shareholders are white, well, then we know we are dealing with the most unspeakable evil.”
.....The report comes after weeks of mounting pressure on the government to make known its understanding of the extent of the problem. “It seems there has been a lack of will on the part of politicians to tackle this issue,” said Emily Burton, spokeswomen for the independent think-tank Totalitas. “But now the government cannot ignore it.”
.....The report also places greater pressure on the organisers of the Live 8 concerts to change the racial constitution of its performers. “The thought of old white people playing guitars makes me physically sick,” said one activist.

[excivaamome]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
The basic problem with the multicultural model in the UK is that it encourages difference and what sets people apart, rather than what people have in common.

Wedded to this is the victim mentality which encourages people to portay themselves as downtrodden ("help, help, I'm being repressed"). Throw in some self-righteous anger and you have the ingredients for discord. And yet, the UK probably has as good a record on assimilating immigrants as any developed country. Don't knock it unless you can think of something better.

[Pa33anger]

Originally posted by Sandman
And yet, the UK probably has as good a record on assimilating immigrants as any developed country. Don't knock it unless you can think of something better. Historically it has, but only recently has the celebration of difference been an institutionalised policy. 7/7 indicated a serious failure.

[aparneioninny]

What is the sinister Conrad Black up to these days?

[Veveseinlep]

Originally posted by Darius871
British racism What are you on about?

[mincarlie.frymyer]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Historically it has, but only recently has the celebration of difference been an institutionalised policy. 7/7 indicated a serious failure. The bombers came from middle-class, assimilated homes, didn't they?

[streMunford]

Originally posted by BeBro
The end of the "multicultural experiment" bit is just hysteria - it's not about getting a uniform culture, it's about getting people from different cultural backgrounds to accept some basic standards. Exactly.

For those people who are against Blair's speech, which of: the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country would you be happy for immigrants to not agree with? I'm all for multi-culturalism, people celebrating their own culture wherever it may be from, but they must still respect other cultures, have tolerance for other attitudes and conform for British law.

I agree with Starchild, this isn't something that is unique to Britain, that makes Britain what it is, however that doesn't mean that immigrants, or indeed anyone else, should be able to ignore it.

[Loxaeed]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Nope. He has no citizenship here to return to.

He wanted a British lordship, and a Canadian custom prevents Canadian citizens from taking foreign honours. The UK refused to give him the lordship in defiance of the wishes of the Canadian government, so Mr. Black renounced his citizenship. Now he's on trial in the US for his malfeasance and he wants his citizenship back so he can serve whatever time he receives in a civilised Canadian jail instead of the black hole of the US prison system under a reciprocal agreement between us and the US.

The Canadian government told him to get stuffed.

tell you what will drop him in the Atlantic and if he can swim to shore he can stay in whatever country he reaches

[9uWzBx4l]

BTW, if Blair gave that speech in the US, he would be labeled as a right wing lunatic fringe racist facist warmonging moron... just to begin with.

[Attarderb]

Originally posted by Ned
"the belief in democracy, the rule of law, tolerance, equal treatment for all, respect for this country"
What does Britain do about commies, who are against all of this. British commies aren't against those. British commies tend to be non-revolutionary, for the most part, which puts them for all these. Indeed, it's easy to make "equal treatment for all" also refer to equal healthcare treatment, equal educational treatment, etc., which all goes against raw capitalist tendencies.

If we had many of the extreme commies other countries might, who want revolutions, then we'd treat them as we would with any extremists - under our law.

[VIAGRA-VIAGRA]

Yeh, the ones I've seen. They just believe people should vote for commies. Spiffor believes in democracy too, AFAIK, and he's a commie. I don't see the two as exclusive at all

[DevaRextusidis]

Droque, et al., they your modern Euro-commies are nothing more than Social Democrats. Pansies by comparison.

[freeringtonesioo]

Originally posted by Ned
Droque, et al., they your modern Euro-commies are nothing more than Social Democrats. Pansies by comparison. No, there's a distinct difference. Social Democrats believe in a capitalist economy with high, progressive tax and the public services and welfare programmes to match. Communists believe in a non-capitalist system, where exchange is done without money and where labour holds all value, rather than capital having an impact.

[jeargefef]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
There's a difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not socialists by any reasonable definition of the word. Except they do believe in economic equality and socialism as an ideal.