[fiettariaps]

1. It's the day they celebrate, never stated as the day it happened.
2. Similarly, Christmas is just the day they celebrate the birth of Jesus, and is acknowledged by the church as bearing no relation to the actual date of birth. It was chosen as a replacement for seasonal heathen holidays such as Sol Invictus, Yule, and Saturnalia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas

Also from Wiki...
There is a widespread misunderstanding of the term immaculate conception. Many people, even many Catholics, believe this refers to the conception of Jesus by Mary. Nearly every time this term is used in the mass media, it is in reference to the conception of Jesus by Mary. Because of this, the immaculate conception is sometimes jokingly referred to as "the immaculate misconception". The conception of Jesus by Mary is more properly called the Incarnation of Christ. The phrase "Immaculate Conception," by Catholic interpretation, is not directly connected to the concept of the "Virgin Birth." The Catholic Church celebrates the Immaculate Conception on 8 December, exactly nine months before the official birthday of Mary. The Incarnation of Christ, also known as The Annunciation, is celebrated on 25 March, nine months before Christmas Day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception

[Qdcqxffs]

First off, the Immaculate Conception is the Immaculate Conception of MARY not of Christ, where she was immaculately conceived in the womb of St. Anne.

If you want to read more about the feast day, go here.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

[diundasmink]

Wait now MARY is imaculatly concived TOO??? And how dose that NOT make her the dauter of god??

[ZanazaKar]

Wait now MARY is imaculatly concived TOO??? And how dose that NOT make her the dauter of god?? If you read the link, it will tell more about the immaculate conception.

Catholics believe Mary to be sinless and that she was bodily assumed into heaven. The only way she could be free from original sin is if she were immaculately conceived.

The reason she isn't the daughter of God, is because she has a human father and mother, unlike Christ who has Mary as his mother and God as his father.

She was only kept free from sin because Christ chose her to be his mother.

[ferelrossi]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


If you read the link, it will tell more about the immaculate conception.

Catholics believe Mary to be sinless and that she was bodily assumed into heaven. The only way she could be free from original sin is if she were immaculately conceived.

The reason she isn't the daughter of God, is because she has a human father and mother, unlike Christ who has Mary as his mother and God as his father.

She was only kept free from sin because Christ chose her to be his mother. God is Christs biological father. IIUC Christians maintain that Joseph was also his father, following halacha that the children of a mans wife are treated as his children. Thats how they can maintain that hes a "son of David" and "of the stock of Jesse". Of course the Halachic issue, IIUC, is that a married woman is trusted in her statement of who the father is - and this applies to all issues where patrilineal descent applies, such as tribal membership, priestly status, etc. In the case of Christ, Mary did NOT claim Joseph as the biological father, and of course per the NT he was definitely not, so Im not sure that the halacha would apply in that instance. I dont think it made allowance for virgin births. Though since we dont have a post bibilical codification of the law from prior to the birth of Christ, I suppose thats impossible to prove.

[Reatclaplen]

Originally posted by BlackCat


Are you saying that gods son existed before he was born ? If so, who is his real mother ? even I know the answer to that. I guess the non-anglophones never got to read "Paradise Lost".

[bensabath]

christ is part of God or something, and sat with God at creation and (in Paradise Lost) fought a battle with Satan about that time. So hes been around forever, so to speak. His being born is just his entry into the world as an "incarnate being"

As for how he can be God and man, thats something the christians have argued about for 2000 years, and from time to time fought wars about the details of. Not my thing exactly.

ill leave that stuff to BK, who can explain it much better, esp given as he believes in it.

I can heartily recommend Paradise Lost, however.

[wmcelesta]

Are you saying that gods son existed before he was born ? If so, who is his real mother ? His real mother in the human sense that we have a mother and a father is still Mary.

Christ was begotten 'before all worlds' according to Christians, and that he is Eternal, as God the Father is eternal and God the Holy spirit is Eternal.

Three persons in one God.

Christ has always existed, but only became man in the Incarnation when he was born of a Virgin.

I should be clear on one other thing.

The immaculate conception was a conception in the normal sense, immaculate in that Mary was kept free of original sin.

The Virgin Birth of Christ, is that Christ was born of the Virgin Mary (hence the Annunciation), and did not have a human father in the usual sense of the word.

[CGH1KZzy]

What a load of old sh*te

[gambleingsites]

WTF?!!

This has nothing to do with hockey.