[Petrushkaukrop]

Eh, I'm tempted to download some crap hiphop they spew out today, just because.

[education]

It's wrong to assume that using a file-share protocol is for illegal purposes, but have I understood this correctly, Aneeshm? You take out your annoyance at this ... on musicians, with a policy to steal their music at every available opportunity? You call it not stealing, yet you think that musicians should work without pay? Yeah, Slavery

Oh, and calling musicians scumbags - most charming.

[Fuerfsanv]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Stealing

[haittiweerved]

If you want to try WinMx, let me know.

[Metrujectiktus]

Stealing?

Contrary to what the RIAA wants you to believe, it appears that making a copy of an audio recording may be perfectly legal in the US, even if you don't own the original recording, as long as it is for noncommercial purposes. The reason for this is the Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA).
Since 1992, the U.S. Government has collected a tax on all digital audio recorders and blank digital audio media manufactured in or imported into the US, and gives the money directly to the RIAA companies, which is distributed as royalties to recording artists, copyright owners, music publishers, and music writers: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.ht ml [cornell.edu]


In exchange for those royalties, a special exemption to the copyright law was made for the specific case of audio recordings, and as a result *ALL* noncommercial copying of musical recordings by consumers is now legal in the US, regardless of media: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1008.ht ml [cornell.edu]
"No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings." The intent of Congress was clear when this law was passed http://www.cni.org/Hforums/cni-copyright/1993 -01/0018.html [cni.org]
From House Report No. 102-873(I), September 17, 1992:


"In the case of home taping, the [Section 1008] exemption protects all noncommercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings." From House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992:


"In short, the reported legislation [Section 1008] would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use." Therefore, when you copy an MP3 the royalties have already been paid for with tax dollars in accordance with the law. If you are a musician whose recordings are publicly distributed, then you are entitled to your share of these royalties by filing a claim under Section 1006 http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1006.ht ml [cornell.edu]


Napster tried to use this law to defend their case, and the court ruled this law did not apply to them because they are a commercial company. But as a consumer it seems to me you are perfectly within your rights when you make a copy for noncommercial private use. Source: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/6974
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[Ltftujkg]

You ruined the thread You were supposed to entitle it

"Click the link and get your horoscope"

[panholio]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Stealing?
[Lengthy quote about american copy protection laws] We have the same thing in germany.
You can share your music as long as you personally know the people to which you give the copies (m,eaning that GEMA has an argument against P2P newtworks where you don´t know the recipients of your music).
GEMA also has (partially successful) tried toget around it for digital media.
It resulted in a change of the law which makes copying music legal as long as the CD has no copy protection.
This on the other hand resulted in many publiushers trying to sell a lot of "Non CDs" i.e. CDs which don´t fit into the Red Book Standard and often produce errors if you try to listen to them on PC (and even on some normal CD Players).
As many Customers are reluctant to buy CDs with this copy protection because of the problems mentioned above not many labels sell their music on CDs with copy protection, but if they do it can be illegal to make copies of the content of this CDs in germany.

[Emunsesoxmete]

Is it possible to record songs that are streamed over the internet, say by BBC Radio, and then cut out each individual song into its' own file? (Nothing about legality BTW)

[kaiayout]

Way to be specific, Cockney.

[scewDeasp]

[xsexymasterix]

That's what I get for being presumptuous.

[JohnVK]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
It's wrong to assume that using a file-share protocol is for illegal purposes, but have I understood this correctly, Aneeshm? You take out your annoyance at this ... on musicians, with a policy to steal their music at every available opportunity? You call it not stealing, yet you think that musicians should work without pay? Yeah, Slavery But for CDs that are out of print what alternative is there?

I'm of the opinion that once you stop printing a CD, or a book, or similar you've basically lost the moral right to copyright since you no longer have any interest in selling the product, so what moral reason is there to maintain a hold on copyright when you have no intention of using it.

[AnetTeilor]

Originally posted by joncha
grrrr.

[Loonerisav]

I have no moral problem downloading something that I know I would not have purchased which is most newer media of dubious quality. If its something I know I would or will purchase then I'll refrain from any kind of bootleg copy. For example I plan to buy a LotR DVD set at some point in the future even though I could easily find copies. So long as file sharing is not used as a substitute for purchase no one is lossing potential sales. If anything it stimultaes more sales as its free advertising.

[Arkadiyas]

[Kausilwf]

Ha! Now it can't identify my ISP at all. Double pwnage.

[Fausqueuego]

If you don't bring up the facts, the court nor prosecutor will, Bill. It's on you to bring up the defense.