[letmelogin]

I'm looking to understand what was wrong with it to begin with and I do have some opinions on it which I will share, but I want to hear why still this b.s. about healthcare is such an issue?

Now my perspective.

Healthcare was never an issue until they established Medicare. Healthcare for old people, people with time, people that are going to get sick more than younger people, blah, blah blah. Medicare run by .gov basically came around and told the doctors that they weren't going to pay i.e. $100 for X, they were only going to pay $25 for X, the doctors wanted $100 but understood that the .gov is only going to pay 25% of that. So they charge $400 for X now, just so they'll get their $100 which they wanted in the first place. BUT, they can't just charge $400 for medicare people, they have to charge that to everyone else, just to be fair.

Some history on Medicare. It was established by the democrats in 1965. With the election of Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964, Democrats controlled both the Presidency and the Congress, claiming a 2:1 ratio to Republicans in the House and 32 more seats in the Senate. The Democrats in the House Ways and Means Committee shifted away from Southern Democrats, making the committee more sympathetic towards health insurance reform.

Those who had previously worked on the King-Anderson Bill drafted a new bill providing coverage of the aged, limited hospitalization and nursing home insurance benefits, and Social Security financing. Wilbur Cohen, Assistant Secretary for Legislation of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (and later Secretary), pushed the Medicare bill. Cohen convinced Johnson to give the bill high priority, and Johnson declared its importance to his Great Society program. The bill was given the labels H.R. 1 and S. 1 as the first bill introduced in each House of the new Congress.

So we have a jew, and a krypto-jew that pushed this socialist POS bullshit on the Amerikwan people.

All medicare does is drive prices higher and now we've got Obamacare controlled by the .gov.

Two things are certain, with jews you loose, and the 60's fucking destroyed this country, from the formation of civil rights to healthcare.

But back to this importance of healthcare, are people not being treated, are people dying in mass, WTF is wrong so it has to be fixed, or should I say, what's broken?

[k5wTvu9f]

Not enough people on insurance (in their minds), for starters...

& of course, follow the money

[mArVHDO6]

lawyers. my uncle, my brother in law, and my cousin have all told me they order all sorts of bullshit tests they know they don't need, but they have to to cover their asses from lawyers in the event something goes wrong. my uncle is 62. he said "fuck it" and is retiring as of february.

[yPuqQ248]

Here's what's wrong -

http://washingtonexaminer.com/feds-t...2#.UDvIhGzCz8B

It's TOTALLY about collectivism - EVERYONE is to be owned by the corporate state and EVERYONE exists to be a 'profit center' for the corporate state.

And if one is not profitable for the corporate state then the corporate state will simply eliminate that body.

[Poothevokprot]

Far too complex a problem to even begin to discuss here. The simple answer is, as you state, government involvement was the beginning of the end of healthcare. The government, with Medicare, was sticking it's proverbial nose in the tent of private fee for service healthcare. The nose was the beginning of socialized medicine, which seeks to price health care services centrally. Layer on third party insurance schemes and it's more gasoline on the fire of healthcare resource consumption. This fueled further demand for services at government decreed pricing. Obamacare is the logical conclusion to this devolution, from a self-sustaining healthcare edifice where services and prices were dictated by supply and demand, to an unsustainable system of bloated bureaucracy, distorted pricing, overregulation and all underwritten by an inflating debt-bomb the world before has never seen. The government insists that all shall have access to healthcare services irregardless of means. A noble goal perhaps, but one that is utterly unsustainable without constant and ever increasing infusions of government subsidies (i.e. debt). I would submit that any service that is available to all comers regardless of their ability to pay is virtually valueless. In time, the demand for the service will far outstrip it's supply, even when the latter is propped up by government Ponzinomics on a multi trillion dollar scale. The result that the service will become virtually unavailable (de facto rationed) while simultaneously costing enormous sums to maintain. Quality in hospitals and professionals will deteriorate, degraded by the triple whammy of corner-cutting to offset costs of over-regulation and government-discounting, lack of incentive for professionalism as doctors and nurses are reduced to mere shift-work government employees, and a non-punitive work environment where malpractive is declared null and void by sovereign immunity from tort, and all medical errors, blunders and incompetence are buried under a pile of officially-approved policies and procedures. Never before in the history of medicine will so many pay so much and receive so little in actual services.

Shoot yourself now and avoid the hassle - it's going to get that bad.

[scoundtrack]

I personally believe the maybe 95%+ of the healthcare system is a scam. The only thing they do good is surgery for mechanical injuries (bullet wounds, broken arms, and so forth,) and they are also good for cosmetic surgery. Other than that I believe they are completely useless. It will do more damage than if you had done nothing in the long term as it only compounds health issues as the chemical's go to work to cover up the symptoms of the problems. All their "treatments" for health issues are designed to keep you coming back. They are meant to treat symptoms and not the underlining problem. They put out a lot of propaganda and convince you that all the other "alternatives" are crazy, dangerous, and don't work.

This is why I believe the only credible form of medicine is Naturopathy. I've not had to go to a doctor once since I taught myself Naturopathy, and this is coming from someone who was always in and out of the hospital. Naturopathy uses natural herbs/supplements/vitamins/detox/minerals and so on to fortify and cleanse the body so it can pretty much heal anything on its own. The sad thing is that Naturopathy is considered fringe, so it doesn't get the research or support it really needs to heal people. A lot of it is so fringe that even very intelligent people on this forum think its silly and make fun of it in some cases. A lot of the things I've come up to cure my health issues are based on my own research and literal trial and error (I use the scientific method.) Naturopathy is the only thing that has worked for me. The medical system is as corrupt as the monetary system, and it's literally got people completely within their matrix of control and manipulation.

The best part about Naturopathy is it's very cheap and you can teach yourself how to do it. It's definitely a "prepper" skill in my view too, so I highly recommend everyone get proficient on it if you aren't. One of the big things going against Naturopathy is a lot of the treatments you do take up to 3-4 months to work. It also revolves around you CHANGING YOUR DIET. This also includes detoxification which, again is made fun of and ridiculed, even on this forum. Most people experience with modern medicine takes only a few minutes to work, so when the Naturopathic solutions don't seem to work right away, people think it is bunk.

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Naturoapthy does offer some quick solutions. Me and my friends/family have had repeated success with these methods. Here is a short list of examples. I can give you a solution to almost anything you know but these are quickies:

• Indigestion/Acid Reflux
  
  • Take a Tablespoon of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar in some water
• Headache
  
  • Take a Tablespoon of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar in some water
• Allergies
  
  • Take a Tablespoon of Raw Honey
• Poison/Snake Bites
  
  • Take Activated Charcoal capsules
• Virus/Common Cold
  
  • Take Oil of Oregano and/or Colloidal Silver
• Breathing Issues
  
  • Wild Cherry Bark, Butterbur, and/or Quercetin & Bromelain
• Pain/Inflammation
  
  • Take Tumeric, Ginger, Wild Cherry Extract, Kelp, DL-Phenyalanine, and/or MSM
    
    • NOTE: Lowering inflammation can make physical injuries/cuts/bruises/sores and so forth heal faster in many cases.
• Energy Boost
  
  • Take Vitamin B-12

[yPuqQ248]

In time, the demand for the service will far outstrip it's supply I've a friend who is a sales rep for a medical devices company which sells artificial body parts which require surgery to install (knees, hips, that sort of thing). So he works directly with a lot of doctors/surgeons (to the degree that he's often in surgery with them). This friend advised me that due to 0bummerdon'tcare that good, seasoned doctors are going to be retiring in droves.

[Poothevokprot]

I've a friend who is a sales rep for a medical devices company which sells artificial body parts which require surgery to install (knees, hips, that sort of thing). So he works directly with a lot of doctors/surgeons (to the degree that he's often in surgery with them). This friend advised me that due to 0bummerdon'tcare that good, seasoned doctors are going to be retiring in droves.

Yes to that! I personally plan to hang on. I expect that my private practive will decline and with it my income. Frankly, a reduction in income will merely reduce the enormous taxes I pay. I get a respectable salary for administering by service. If I only had that, I could still pay my bills and survive, and work 20-30 hours per week. I would look upon it as semi-retirement for me. But for you, the public it is a tragic loss. After 35 years, 21 as an attending physician, I am at the peak of my powers and represent the human embodiment of years of capital investment by the public to develop me as a human resource to serve the public. Under government run healthcare, I will be underutilized and wasted. This is what government does better than anyone else par excellence: it misallocates capital, creates impediments to productivity and petrifies a once vibrant and profitable enterprise.

[AlistDakisa]

The Boomer generation.

[gamecasta]

Layer on third party insurance schemes and it's more gasoline on the fire of healthcare resource consumption.

I'm not sure if this is necessarily what you are referring too and perhaps this is common knowledge, but when I found out how little hospitals actually make compared to what is billed out, even for private insurance it is astounding. Pennies on the dollar literally, basically the insurance companies say like medicare/caid does "this is what we will pay for this procedure, if you don't like it, don't accept our insurance" What enrages me the most is that if you have 2 people with identical wounds in the same hospital treated by the same doctor and say run up a bill of 200,000, the insurance company might pay 15,000 while the guy with no insurance still gets a bill for 200,0000. It's sick.

[MilenaMKB]

This is so fvcket I'm just gonna move this week. Alright bros & Sisters, I'll be back. Fuk, I think I been scannned this hurts.

[sFs4aOok]

Medicare, Medicaid, FDA, AMA, and the Rockefeller Institute.

[Thorwaywhobia]

healthcare in the 60's & '70's was quite affordable for the general public, i.e. the middle class.

my parents had 4 boys, who were responsible for plenty of visits to the ER, none of which bankrupted Mom & Dad.


i think the fuck-up-ization of health care is highly related to the health 'insurance' industry, Big Pharma, and the general GREED in the industry. i.e. the drive to maximize revenues.

the idea that "someone else is going to pay for it" sure didn't help either.


finally, the #1 reason - LACK OF COMPETITION.

the AMA artificially restricts the supply of 'doctors'.

[Twelearly]

The biggest problem with the "Health" care system is the name. It is really a "Sick" care system. Until you start to call things what they really are, it is a lie. And lies propagate more lies. The AMA has a monopoly on sick care, but call it health care. The system gets no one healthy. Only the individual can create health for him/her self. In conjunction with the drug companies, true health care has been hijacked.

As was previously mentioned, the "health" care industry is good for broken bones, gunshots, etc... But other than that, look in the mirror and the kitchen to create health.

[Poothevokprot]

I'm not sure if this is necessarily what you are referring too and perhaps this is common knowledge, but when I found out how little hospitals actually make compared to what is billed out, even for private insurance it is astounding. Pennies on the dollar literally, basically the insurance companies say like medicare/caid does "this is what we will pay for this procedure, if you don't like it, don't accept our insurance" What enrages me the most is that if you have 2 people with identical wounds in the same hospital treated by the same doctor and say run up a bill of 200,000, the insurance company might pay 15,000 while the guy with no insurance still gets a bill for 200,0000. It's sick.

All true sad to say. When I mentioned "pricing distortions" in health care, it was a quite the understatement. Words cannot begin to describe how totally screwed up it is. For example, the hospital charges $400 for a biopsy report. The pathologist is paid about $35.

[yPuqQ248]

The biggest problem with the "Health" care system is the name. It is really a "Sick" care system. Until you start to call things what they really are, it is a lie. And lies propagate more lies. The AMA has a monopoly on sick care, but call it health care. The system gets no one healthy. Only the individual can create health for him/her self. In conjunction with the drug companies, true health care has been hijacked.

As was previously mentioned, the "health" care industry is good for broken bones, gunshots, etc... But other than that, look in the mirror and the kitchen to create health.

It's called dis-ease for a reason. lol

[Rchzygnc]

Is there anything keeping a doctor from opening a small office and treating patients for a reasonable cash fee? Refuse to take insurance and refuse medicare/caid?

[yPuqQ248]

Is there anything keeping a doctor from opening a small office and treating patients for a reasonable cash fee? Refuse to take insurance and refuse medicare/caid?

What's this?? You expect me to take responsibility for my own heath, and not have someone else pay for my care?? How dare you, you heartless human!

[BlackBird]

Is there anything keeping a doctor from opening a small office and treating patients for a reasonable cash fee? Refuse to take insurance and refuse medicare/caid?

Part of your answer.


How new doctors will kill private practice



What are new medical graduates looking for in their first job?According to American Medical News, they’re looking for jobs with the following criteria: “The most important items would be the ability to show a stable, growing practice and quality of life … The stability would come from a practice that generates most of their collections from commercial insurance, as Medicare cuts are looming. The ideal quality of life would be a four-day workweek with little to no call. Financially, they would need to offer employment plus production bonus and would need to be above the 50th percentile for their specialty.”
Good gig if you can get it.

Private practice is unlikely to meet those specific demands, which is one reason why the days of the independent physician are numbered.

The answer? Hospital-based practice, or practices that are part of larger, integrated health systems:More physicians also want or need flexible work arrangements such as part-time hours. This is more possible in an employment arrangement with a hospital or large practice.
“The generational differences, along with reform, and the extreme shortage of doctors have all literally combined and formed the perfect storm.”

Today’s graduates want the financial stability of a salary to pay off rising medical school debt. Those who graduate with over $200,000 in debt range between 20 and 30%, depending on the source.
Furthermore, health reform is going to further pressure physician salaries by cutting Medicare payments. That’s going to make it difficult to thrive in private practice.

The combination of a deteriorating fiscal environment and the desire for a better lifestyle is going to have repercussions in two areas: rural medicine and private practice doctors nearing retirement.

According to the article, “Small practices in rural areas will find it even tougher to recruit … Only 6% [of graduating residents] wanted to work in communities smaller than 50,000.”

These factors are leading doctors to seek employment at larger organizations which may be the “perfect storm” that health reformers are hoping for to tilt the country’s doctors away from small, fragmented practices.

New physicians who increasingly value lifestyle and work-life balance will only accelerate this seismic shift.

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/10/...-practice.html

[Poothevokprot]

Is there anything keeping a doctor from opening a small office and treating patients for a reasonable cash fee? Refuse to take insurance and refuse medicare/caid?

No and yes. As long as the MD or DO has an active state license and malpractice insurance policy, he can open an office and accept whomever he chooses vis-a-vis mode of payment. But he must also comply with numerous state and federal mandates vis-a-vis OSHA, DEA, HIPPA, Disability Insurance etc etc etc. Many MDs have done this to date. I'm sure many more will in the future.