[Avgustslim]

Interesting post.

I would agree that there is always a tension between Universalists and Particularists.

[carline]

When modern nationalists insist that their nation's sovereignty is absolute, and that they'll fight a world government to the death, that's the same impulse that powered the monarchical efforts to defang the Church politically, and that provided much of the earthly energy of the Protestant Reformation. When they say 'we' they mean their own nation. Except of course that the motivations for this 'impulse' are mutually incomprehensible. I can't say I'm impressed by this weaving of historical threads torn from their contexts.

[tadacia]

" Note how many labor unions have the world 'international' in their names, even when most of them aren't. That's a legacy of their origin in the socialist movement, which disavowed nationality"

Er, no. Most such instances are in North America, and represent the fact that both Canadian and US locals were included. Id say the quoted piece is pretty sloppy with historical fact, and pretty loopy in its attempt to derive modern consequences from historical "fact".