[Greactbet]

I thought it was 1200 including servants. And they were killed to a man, but only after killing several times their own number in enemy troops.

[PhilipBartew]

Wikipedia has a fiery debate over lots of things, and the fieriness of the debate increases inversely to the importance of the subject. "Talk:List_of_lesbian_characters_in_early_Opera" is probably a giant illegible mass of flames.

[feannigvogten]

Bi, I thought. But what do I know

[Paybeskf]

Different time, different ways.

[ZesePreodaNed]

From the trailer it looks better than the Troy movie, but that could turn out wrong once the movie is out. I really would like to see a good movie about it though.

I looked into imdb.com but the cast, director, etc. is completely unknown to me. Let's see if that's good or bad.

[Heopretg2006]

Isn't the battle against those Persians the topic? I wonder how much they show of the entire Spartan society. Although the trailer seems to indicate they do to some extent, when they devote time to Leonidas' development from childhood on. But dunno how much room that will actually take in the movie....

I wonder if they put in some dumb cliche's about Spartans being pure, strong warriors and their brothers from other poleis being decadent weaklings (if they deal with them at all that is).

[XarokLasa]

Well, the were strong in the military sense, but their society became a dying society, not so much during the Persian wars but certainly later, and had much more inner problems in that aspect than many other poleis. It's one of the reasons for Sparta's decline, because their ideals of strength lead to an exclusiveness which resulted in less and less children becoming full citizens (and so Spartan hoplites) to balance out losses, and they weren't able or willing to let others into their club as equals on a grand scale.

[Tw1anJOO]

Originally posted by Elok
IIRC, they also humped little boys. I think that can go on the bad things list too. Can't blame just Spartans for that. Seems to have included Macedonians, other Greeks, Persians, etc. One wonders whose little boys. Nonetheless, sex wasn't just for boys with girls in those days, and they weren't embarrassed about it either.

There's some story about a right of Spartan passage being a fight to the death with another boy of the same age. If that's true, the population would be rather limited, losing half its males at puberty. Az, what's up with that?

Az, feel free to discuss the topic, everyone else hijacks threads, you might as well too.

[Honealals]

Frank Miller is a fascist.

[newpiknicker]

This should be in the History Forum.

I remember hearing/reading that they went around naked all the time. This was to shame people into being physically fit.

I know it would shame me, I get physically disgusted when I see myself naked and so am generally not.

JM
(biggest thing is beer belly, but have a good ammount of fat everywhere)

(currently 180 lbs and 5'11)

[Apparpsmose]

Your nips are still hard? Are you saying that the trailer made your nipples go hard? So the trailer aroused you in a weird way or was the air conditioning really high?