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On your closing remark, why don't you focus on the discussion, rather than making inferences about what I am choosing to do or not do in this discussion. It's making a huge assumption about why I am making the points I am, as well as projecting deliberation onto to it. You're basically calling me obtuse here, and honestly I am not posting here to be the subject of your personal attacks. ![]() I think this could be an interesting point. I think rainwind mentioned Freud because he was alluding to the pleasure principle, which more or less covers what you're saying here. However, the pleasure principle, and indeed the whole Freudian model, is merely about basic drives. It does not really take into account the numerous layers of complexity that can mean such drives will manifest in almost infinitely different types of behaviour. Diferences in gender behavior are (in my opinion) largely driven by socialisation but also partly driven by biological differences - there are physical differences in the brain, in hormones etc. I don't think I am telling you anything by writing this, we probably agree, but the point is, just because the 'drive' from the Id (to use Freudian terms) is the same in men and women, doesn't mean the behavior will be. Enough about Freud though, the point still remains, we actively seek out pleasure, the greater the reward, the harder we look. Come on, give me a break - even though I didn't say it explicitly, obviously I didn't mean ALL MEN have a higher sex drive than ALL WOMEN. Your reply here seems to indicate that think you're arguing with an idiot, or at least someone barely worthy of your time. Give me some credit here. J I didn't say that, but fair enough I heavily implied it. Well, if you just take prostitution as an example, there are far more female prostitues than male ones and each one may have dozens of clients. So it's quite easy to see how statistically, men generally have more 'out of relationship' sex than women. I quick google search showed that 29% of men have had more than 15 partners and less than 10% of women have had that many. ![]() As i said, the social stigma dictates that women are less forthcoming about their sexual escapades, both will tend to lie about how many sexual partners they have had, but while men are more likely to increase that number, women are more likely to decrease that number, there are too many outside factors that could affect those numbers, like the country they were taken in or the ratio of men to women in that area, it all comes down to perception though and whilst a women having lots of partners is perceived to be a bad thing, the opposite is true for men. As for prostitution, the driving force behind that are factors other than sexual pleasure, for women and men, a very large percentage of men simply want the company of a woman first and sex as an added bonus, whilst women obviously do it for different reasons altogether, it's now actually thought that many women take to prostitution because they do like the idea of getting paid to have sex, like women in Porn, where once it was thought that women did not enjoy such a career, it's now known that many actually do. OK this must mean that some women are having a lot of sex, which you probably think validates your point. However I think the very existence of prositution, and the rarity of male prostition is a much stronger argument against it. I think you're fantasizing here... I am not up to date on the research here, I am sure there are plenty of people who want to research it, but by and large (and I am pretty sure about this) the female libido is not as intense or as immediate as the male one. It has very different cycles, but women are not "programmed" to want to procreate several times a day the way that males do. ![]() At the end of the day though Zoolook, i can concede that not everything i said can be taken as a matter of fact, many of these points are bones of contention even today, the mind, especially the emotional side, is too complex a creature to be able to pin down to any one specific theory. That said, we are still no closer to agreeing and have started to go in circles now, so i think this discussion has comes to it's conclusion, although you have given me some interesting ideas and viewpoints to dwell on, so thankyou for that and for cutting into my gaming time! ![]() ![]() |
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How exactly you equate this to "women like men with 12 inch penises and 6 packs" is beyond me,especially since many women report that such things have very little bearing on what they find attractive in a member of the opposite sex. |
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They do exist. I know one girl who absolutely refused to sleep with anyone smaller than 6 inches... She wasn't very attractive either... Her teeth were like a magnet... Yellow and black... Ugh... Nothing about the rest of her was that great either, maybe decent sized breasts. I wouldn't touch her without a naked-gun style full-body condom. |
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They do exist. I know one girl who absolutely refused to sleep with anyone smaller than 6 inches... She wasn't very attractive either... Her teeth were like a magnet... Yellow and black... Ugh... Nothing about the rest of her was that great either, maybe decent sized breasts. I wouldn't touch her without a naked-gun style full-body condom. My wife is fond of saying that most women she's heard who go on about such things are usually young girls and older women. Makes sense. Mostly ones too young to know better and at the other end those that are obssessed/worried with their own advancing age. |
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I don't put much stock into anything Freud said to be brutally honest, most of his work has long since been discredited or "revised," the most important part of his work was his "discovery" that talking about your problems makes you feel better, well no ****. He was however instrumental in bringing around a change in how we dealt with our emotions, but he just happened to be there at the time this social evolution began, but it's his outrageous and sometimes ridiculous theories that have turned him into a figure of note. I think it's dismissive to a fault to say he just happened to be around when such social change was ongoing anyway, as social change was definitely on a go-slow at that time (specifically on the subjecy of sexuality). It was the middle of the Victorian era and Freud struggled against highly ingrained ideas of the mind body, particularly sexuality. In my humble opinion, Freud's greatest mistake was misdiagnosing child abuse as something entirely psychosematic. It seems evident now, with out cynical minds, that his theories on child sexuality were his interpreations of what was probably child abuse, something he couldn't possibly contemplate at the time. Of course psycho-sexual development is one of the often ridiculed theories of Freud, but it's almost understanable how he came to those conclusions, if he couldn't bear to accept these were actually abuse cases. That's a definite statement, explicit if you prefer. You perhaps should have been more concise with your statement. Well it was too concise, I should have eleborated. You have said basically what i've already said there, the only other step you need to take is the acceptance that the intensity of the reward system is directly proportional to the pain experienced during childbirth, heavens, i would need a damn good incentive to ever have sex again if i had to go through such pain because of it, and whilst sex is good, i can categorically state that it would not be worth the pain of pushing a plum through my penis! [help] This simply doesn't tie up with how women answer questions around their motivation for sexual intercourse, or their experiences of it. I'll try and refer you to some journals, although I don't know if you'll have access to them. Are you a member of the BPS? Libido is (outwardly) stronger in men because we are less capable of suppressing these urges, that doesn't mean women have less of them or they aren't as strong, they are just better at controlling it and putting it aside, they have greater control when it comes to sex, they have to, since they are the ones that deal with childbirth, see where it leads us back to? ![]() |
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Well here She is
![]() ![]() Inventor unveils 7000$ talking Sex robot My opinion ? lol looks like some retarded British b"tch [rofl] Kinda has that "duhhhhhhh" expression. |
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