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Old 01-13-2010, 07:11 AM   #1
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On your closing remark, why don't you focus on the discussion, rather than making inferences about what I am choosing to do or not do in this discussion. It's making a huge assumption about why I am making the points I am, as well as projecting deliberation onto to it. You're basically calling me obtuse here, and honestly I am not posting here to be the subject of your personal attacks.
Then i'll thank you to do the same and not speak out of turn concerning your opinion on my apparent, (or not as you implied,) education on the subject, you see i too did not enter this discussion to have my knowledge become the subject of your personal attacks. So i guess that makes us even.

I think this could be an interesting point. I think rainwind mentioned Freud because he was alluding to the pleasure principle, which more or less covers what you're saying here. However, the pleasure principle, and indeed the whole Freudian model, is merely about basic drives. It does not really take into account the numerous layers of complexity that can mean such drives will manifest in almost infinitely different types of behaviour. Diferences in gender behavior are (in my opinion) largely driven by socialisation but also partly driven by biological differences - there are physical differences in the brain, in hormones etc. I don't think I am telling you anything by writing this, we probably agree, but the point is, just because the 'drive' from the Id (to use Freudian terms) is the same in men and women, doesn't mean the behavior will be.
I don't put much stock into anything Freud said to be brutally honest, most of his work has long since been discredited or "revised," the most important part of his work was his "discovery" that talking about your problems makes you feel better, well no ****. He was however instrumental in bringing around a change in how we dealt with our emotions, but he just happened to be there at the time this social evolution began, but it's his outrageous and sometimes ridiculous theories that have turned him into a figure of note.

Enough about Freud though, the point still remains, we actively seek out pleasure, the greater the reward, the harder we look.


Come on, give me a break - even though I didn't say it explicitly, obviously I didn't mean ALL MEN have a higher sex drive than ALL WOMEN. Your reply here seems to indicate that think you're arguing with an idiot, or at least someone barely worthy of your time. Give me some credit here.
Don't take what i was saying the wrong way, you're one of the small group here that i do give credit too, you did present it as a statement of fact though Zoo:
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I didn't say that, but fair enough I heavily implied it. Well, if you just take prostitution as an example, there are far more female prostitues than male ones and each one may have dozens of clients. So it's quite easy to see how statistically, men generally have more 'out of relationship' sex than women. I quick google search showed that 29% of men have had more than 15 partners and less than 10% of women have had that many.
As you say, you implied it though and that's the direction your argument was going, so i addressed it beforehand.

As i said, the social stigma dictates that women are less forthcoming about their sexual escapades, both will tend to lie about how many sexual partners they have had, but while men are more likely to increase that number, women are more likely to decrease that number, there are too many outside factors that could affect those numbers, like the country they were taken in or the ratio of men to women in that area, it all comes down to perception though and whilst a women having lots of partners is perceived to be a bad thing, the opposite is true for men. As for prostitution, the driving force behind that are factors other than sexual pleasure, for women and men, a very large percentage of men simply want the company of a woman first and sex as an added bonus, whilst women obviously do it for different reasons altogether, it's now actually thought that many women take to prostitution because they do like the idea of getting paid to have sex, like women in Porn, where once it was thought that women did not enjoy such a career, it's now known that many actually do.
OK this must mean that some women are having a lot of sex, which you probably think validates your point. However I think the very existence of prositution, and the rarity of male prostition is a much stronger argument against it.
Again that comes down to social acceptability, also the fact that women know they have a certain power over men in terms of sexual attractiveness, men are easily manipulated with sex and most sexual encounters are ultimately instigated by the woman, a woman does not need to pay for sex because they know that they can go out and quite easily attract a man, because it's almost always them that decides if an encounter turns sexual. How often do you see the woman take the initiative in matters like these? All the time actually, they are just much more subtle at it than us, women are far more sexual than men could ever be.

I think you're fantasizing here...

It has been posited that the female orgasm is there to offset the pain of childbirth, but I quite honestly think that's ridiculous. It was probably an evolutionary reward mechanism to encourage sex, full stop, and might have something to do with the fact that our brains developed to such an extent that sexual urges were not enough to ensure suitable propagation. Not to mention the time gap between 'orgasm and childbirth' or even that intercourse doesn't guarantee either.
You have said basically what i've already said there, the only other step you need to take is the acceptance that the intensity of the reward system is directly proportional to the pain experienced during childbirth, heavens, i would need a damn good incentive to ever have sex again if i had to go through such pain because of it, and whilst sex is good, i can categorically state that it would not be worth the pain of pushing a plum through my penis! [help]
I am not up to date on the research here, I am sure there are plenty of people who want to research it, but by and large (and I am pretty sure about this) the female libido is not as intense or as immediate as the male one. It has very different cycles, but women are not "programmed" to want to procreate several times a day the way that males do.

Of course, whether or not that directly affects the way women see men on a day to day basis, is not entirely clear, but I believe it, along with socialisation, it does.
Libido is (outwardly) stronger in men because we are less capable of suppressing these urges, that doesn't mean women have less of them or they aren't as strong, they are just better at controlling it and putting it aside, they have greater control when it comes to sex, they have to, since they are the ones that deal with childbirth, see where it leads us back to?

At the end of the day though Zoolook, i can concede that not everything i said can be taken as a matter of fact, many of these points are bones of contention even today, the mind, especially the emotional side, is too complex a creature to be able to pin down to any one specific theory. That said, we are still no closer to agreeing and have started to go in circles now, so i think this discussion has comes to it's conclusion, although you have given me some interesting ideas and viewpoints to dwell on, so thankyou for that and for cutting into my gaming time! Right, i'm going to go see the wife, all this talk has left me a little, erm well, never mind.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:21 AM   #2
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:27 AM   #3
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How exactly you equate this to "women like men with 12 inch penises and 6 packs" is beyond me,especially since many women report that such things have very little bearing on what they find attractive in a member of the opposite sex.
They do exist. I know one girl who absolutely refused to sleep with anyone smaller than 6 inches... She wasn't very attractive either... Her teeth were like a magnet... Yellow and black... Ugh... Nothing about the rest of her was that great either, maybe decent sized breasts. I wouldn't touch her without a naked-gun style full-body condom.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:36 AM   #4
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They do exist. I know one girl who absolutely refused to sleep with anyone smaller than 6 inches... She wasn't very attractive either... Her teeth were like a magnet... Yellow and black... Ugh... Nothing about the rest of her was that great either, maybe decent sized breasts. I wouldn't touch her without a naked-gun style full-body condom.
Could be because she was so sloppy that she needed a larger member to touch the sides!
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:37 AM   #5
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They do exist. I know one girl who absolutely refused to sleep with anyone smaller than 6 inches... She wasn't very attractive either... Her teeth were like a magnet... Yellow and black... Ugh... Nothing about the rest of her was that great either, maybe decent sized breasts. I wouldn't touch her without a naked-gun style full-body condom.
No one's arguing that they don't exist,I'm arguing that generally speaking the majority of women do not think along such lines.

My wife is fond of saying that most women she's heard who go on about such things are usually young girls and older women. Makes sense.

Mostly ones too young to know better and at the other end those that are obssessed/worried with their own advancing age.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:38 AM   #6
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Could be because she was so sloppy that she needed a larger member to touch the sides!
I find that highly likely.
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Old 01-13-2010, 11:54 PM   #7
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I don't put much stock into anything Freud said to be brutally honest, most of his work has long since been discredited or "revised," the most important part of his work was his "discovery" that talking about your problems makes you feel better, well no ****. He was however instrumental in bringing around a change in how we dealt with our emotions, but he just happened to be there at the time this social evolution began, but it's his outrageous and sometimes ridiculous theories that have turned him into a figure of note.
Freud will always be relevant in Psychology and I think (at least within professional or academic circles, as opposed to laymen) that it's his more subtle theories (not the outrageous ones) that make him a figure of note. Free Association is fundamentally different from the Rogerian approach which is the basis of most modern psychodynamic therapy (what is now loosely called counselling) for example, it's it's still a widely used theraputic technique.

I think it's dismissive to a fault to say he just happened to be around when such social change was ongoing anyway, as social change was definitely on a go-slow at that time (specifically on the subjecy of sexuality). It was the middle of the Victorian era and Freud struggled against highly ingrained ideas of the mind body, particularly sexuality.

In my humble opinion, Freud's greatest mistake was misdiagnosing child abuse as something entirely psychosematic. It seems evident now, with out cynical minds, that his theories on child sexuality were his interpreations of what was probably child abuse, something he couldn't possibly contemplate at the time. Of course psycho-sexual development is one of the often ridiculed theories of Freud, but it's almost understanable how he came to those conclusions, if he couldn't bear to accept these were actually abuse cases.


That's a definite statement, explicit if you prefer. You perhaps should have been more concise with your statement. Well it was too concise, I should have eleborated.

You have said basically what i've already said there, the only other step you need to take is the acceptance that the intensity of the reward system is directly proportional to the pain experienced during childbirth, heavens, i would need a damn good incentive to ever have sex again if i had to go through such pain because of it, and whilst sex is good, i can categorically state that it would not be worth the pain of pushing a plum through my penis! [help] This simply doesn't tie up with how women answer questions around their motivation for sexual intercourse, or their experiences of it. I'll try and refer you to some journals, although I don't know if you'll have access to them. Are you a member of the BPS?

Libido is (outwardly) stronger in men because we are less capable of suppressing these urges, that doesn't mean women have less of them or they aren't as strong, they are just better at controlling it and putting it aside, they have greater control when it comes to sex, they have to, since they are the ones that deal with childbirth, see where it leads us back to? I don't ever recall seeing any evidence supporting this idea at all, you need to back it up to convince me, although it's an interesting theory.
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Old 02-02-2010, 04:49 PM   #8
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Well here She is



Inventor unveils 7000$ talking Sex robot

My opinion ?
lol looks like some retarded British b"tch [rofl]
Kinda has that "duhhhhhhh" expression.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:19 PM   #9
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OHH... that football
Yeh, you know...the one actually played with your feet.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:27 PM   #10
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Catherine Tate lookalike according to some [rofl]
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:42 PM   #11
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With a face like that the only thing it will be good for is talking. Punching too, seeing how it appears to have a fat lip.
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Old 02-02-2010, 09:35 PM   #12
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Well here She is



Inventor unveils 7000$ talking Sex robot

My opinion ?
lol looks like some retarded British b"tch [rofl]
Kinda has that "duhhhhhhh" expression.
Looks like he shagged her face so fast it melted
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:12 PM   #13
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I have a feeling that even this doll is uninterested in sex with that man.
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Old 02-02-2010, 10:49 PM   #14
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Well here She is



Inventor unveils 7000$ talking Sex robot

My opinion ?
lol looks like some retarded British b"tch [rofl]
Kinda has that "duhhhhhhh" expression.
da ****?

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Old 02-02-2010, 11:27 PM   #15
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da ****?

I'd rather shag the doll
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Old 02-02-2010, 11:47 PM   #16
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I have a feeling that even this doll is uninterested in sex with that man.
I don't know, he seems to be wearing a wedding ring, oh dear, you don't think he designed it to look like his wife do you?
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:24 AM   #17
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I'd rather shag the doll
Im sure she'd say the same thing about you buddy.
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:18 AM   #18
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Default Wow, now this is gonna get some of you chaps all worked up
Worlds first Sex Robot that can talk about Football
Click me

Finally a partner for some of you poor schmucks [rofl]
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:19 AM   #19
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Uhh... Why would you want a sexbot that could talk?
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Old 11-02-2010, 04:30 AM   #20
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Do they have a dark-skinned one?
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