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Exactly

Just because your ISP services offers horrible value for the money doesn't mean the rest of want that [thumbdown]

Umm, we aren't complaining that you can't use up your bandwidth nor are we complaining about how good your services are. And I find it VERY funny that you say that you can use up all your bandwidth, umm, your ISPs can only cope with so much so your limitting bandwidth for others.

Either way I couldn't give a rat's arse about your bandwidth, bandwidth in Australia is NOT an issue, we have a crap ton of bandwidth. It's the quota limit and prices that affect us where it's more or less bandwidth and not quota or price that effects you and bandwidth is a bigger problem then both price and quota combined.

Quota is simply a means of controlling excessive bandwidth use and I simply agree that is should be in place. I mean why should I pay $100 a month if somebody else is using up all my bandwidth?

You should be complaining even more than you have to pay 100 bucks for a 40gig cap. I'm not complaining about my quota limit, it's ust the price, and I have already explained why it's high and there is not much anyone can do about it. 40GB is more then enough for me. If I want or require more then I will simply buy more quota blocks to increase my quota for that month.

[Erexecike]

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I am quite amazed you have any bandwidth left considering how much time you spend on these forums spamming. almost 4,000 post in a little over a year... that's insane! Go outside... seriously!!
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[enentique]

I am quite amazed you have any bandwidth left considering how much time you spend on these forums spamming. almost 4,000 post in a little over a year... that's insane! Go outside... seriously!!
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Actually that goes for all the "I need more bandwidth" people. Get the **** outside and shut down the computer for a change.

You know.. i get a kick out of the non US people..

Just because you have bent over and have it bad, does not mean everybody else should. Fact is, limiting bandwidth is NOT the way forward; in fact, it is a huge step back. The whole world is modernizing, and limiting bandwidth will do no good.

And just because some of you cannot use all the bandwidth, there are plenty who can. Again, just point out all the legal services - Direct to Drive, TV and Movie watching, Porn (sorry, but it is true), etc.

But whats the point? Its not like you are suddenly going to change your mind; no matter what, you want the rest of us to be screwed over like you are... I just hope it never happens..

Actually I wasnt complaining about having it so bad here. I think that the service that I get is way too cheap for how much the nessecary infrastructure cost initially (plus maintaining costs).

[encumeterz]

I am quite amazed you have any bandwidth left considering how much time you spend on these forums spamming. almost 4,000 post in a little over a year... that's insane! Go outside... seriously!!
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More like under a year, I registered to these forums back in March but hardly posted, wasn't until a few months later I started visiting this forum more often and I started posting more. But if you think I'm bad perhaps you need to look at Noizics, not that I'm saying he's a spammer, just a posting freak.

Besides, like I said, bandwidth isn't much of a problem here in Australia because it is very well controlled through quota's

[Tjfyojlg]

Ok Divine_Madcat and Earthatgates... how do you suggest American ISP's solve the issue of increased data costs?

All you've had to say is how screwed the rest of us are, yet you haven't once suggested a real solution to rising data and infrastructure costs of American ISP's.

It's fine that you don't believe in data capping. In that case how do you think it should be solved. One option could be to simply raise the cost of your broadband...

If all users on a network were to use as much internet data as you internet heavy users, the costs to the ISP would be through the roof. It's the light users that subsidise the large costs of the heavy user, i can gurantee you there are way more light users out there than internet savvy ones that are hooked up with netflix, steam, usenet, torrents etc etc etc.

The problem is that more of these users are starting to switch onto products like netflix! At this current rate it seems that American ISP's are not able to cope with the costs if this sort of stuff were to take off big time, like everyone dumping their cable box for an IPTV box.

[enentique]

^^^ Same goes for power, fuel, water... instead of thinking "we can have it all" people really need to realize that they should start saving and reducing their needs - or pay a higher price.

[Erexecike]

Actually that goes for all the "I need more bandwidth" people. Get the **** outside and shut down the computer for a change.



Actually I wasnt complaining about having it so bad here. I think that the service that I get is way too cheap for how much the nessecary infrastructure cost initially (plus maintaining costs).

LOL!
I would complain but I rarely use that much bandwidth. I nagged to Charter (my isp) until I got a 6mb line for $20/m. Slower than Comcast but cheaper. [thumbup]

[AlexanderPalamayr]

Ok Divine_Madcat and Earthatgates... how do you suggest American ISP's solve the issue of increased data costs?

All you've had to say is how screwed the rest of us are, yet you haven't once suggested a real solution to rising data and infrastructure costs of American ISP's.

It's fine that you don't believe in data capping. In that case how do you think it should be solved. One option could be to simply raise the cost of your broadband...

If all users on a network were to use as much internet data as you internet heavy users, the costs to the ISP would be through the roof. It's the light users that subsidise the large costs of the heavy user, i can gurantee you there are way more light users out there than internet savvy ones that are hooked up with netflix, steam, usenet, torrents etc etc etc.

The problem is that more of these users are starting to switch onto products like netflix! At this current rate it seems that American ISP's are not able to cope with the costs if this sort of stuff were to take off big time, like everyone dumping their cable box for an IPTV box.

^^^ Same goes for power, fuel, water... instead of thinking "we can have it all" people really need to realize that they should start saving and reducing their needs - or pay a higher price.

Agree,

I work for a major cable company in the US (I can't mention its name) as a Digital Systems Administrator and you can't imagine how much money we spend on support and upgrades to the system, if you do you would understand where this is all coming from.

[Tjfyojlg]

Agree,

I work for a major cable company in the US (I can't mention its name) as a Digital Systems Administrator and you can't imagine how much money we spend on support and upgrades to the system, if you do you would understand where this is all coming from.

Thanks for the reply Hannoo.

I think people have created a mentality that companies are big powerful money suckers that can afford anything and everything. All they care about is their wallet and that's it.

In this case the mentality of the American internet user needs to change. Unfortunately the companies don't want to upset the customers, so business models like net neutrality come up.

This has been an issue in Australia ever since we moved from unlimited dial-up to broadband, a lot of people could not understand why broadband was not unlimited. I guess since it was a new type of product, we accepted the change to capping ok. To change things now in the states would certainly upset a lot of customers.

Don't forget as more infrastructure is built and more competition, the cheaper data gets. So don't expect the capped data rates to remain the same. The value of them should increase. There are also several ways ISP's can cut data costs and that's to host content themselves. So a lot of Australian ISP's have free gaming servers, IPTV networks, neflix like movie downloads, file servers and some websites free from counting to your data cap. I enjoy my ISP's free 1200kbps stream of NASA TV and ABC iview. [yes]

[encumeterz]

This has been an issue in Australia ever since we moved from unlimited dial-up to broadband, a lot of people could not understand why broadband was not unlimited.

Actually there was no such thing as unlimitted quota with dialup and most broadband plans generally have a larger quota limit (with a much higher price) then what dialup had. When I was with dialup a few years back I always thought it was unlimitted until I checked my user account and found that I onlt had a 20GB cap. I figured wtf, so I wanted to see what happens once I go over that cap. No matter how much I downloaded I simply could not reach that cap as dialup was simply to slow to download that much data in a month.

With broadband however I can download 20GB in about a day if I'm downloading from a fast server but there's no way I'm gonna do it, being capped to 64kbs is such a nightmare and is the reason I switched from iinet to intenode with their larger quota. So now I try and make sure that I download around 1GB a day or less and if I still got a ton of quota left in my last 2-3 days before my quota resets then I go on a downloading spree

[Qeiafib]

I don't agree about paying to have higher priority traffic, but I do think that if you go over your bandwidth cap, you should just pay for that extra used bandwidth on a per GB basis. I mean, cell phone plans give you so many hundreds of minutes, but anything over that you got to start paying. Why couldn't that work for ISPs? Comcast is making it so that if you go over twice in a 1 year period, they cut off your service for good. No warning, no way to login and check how much bandwidth you've used without having to track it yourself) Instead it's just BAM! You're done.

I don't disagree with the bandwidth cap, but I disagree with the way it's currently being handled by Comcast.

[Tjfyojlg]

I don't agree about paying to have higher priority traffic, but I do think that if you go over your bandwidth cap, you should just pay for that extra used bandwidth on a per GB basis.

I totally agree. We have ISP's that do that. You can knock your brains out and download as much as you like. However paying per GB can be expensive as they basically charge you what they are being charged with extra on top. you would probably get more value in the US but when they charge you the raw cost of data it's a lot more expensive.

In the end what they need is a 300GB cap then a 400GB cap etc.

[encumeterz]

I totally agree. We have ISP's that do that. You can knock your brains out and download as much as you like. However paying per GB can be expensive as they basically charge you what they are being charged with extra on top. you would probably get more value in the US but when they charge you the raw cost of data it's a lot more expensive.

In the end what they need is a 300GB cap then a 400GB cap etc.

Yea, I seen ISPs in Australia charge like $50+ for every GB you download after you go over the quota limit. It's insane.

I'm pretty sure Telstra and Optus still do it but I think they charge per MB instead of GB like $0.05 per MB. Come to think about it that comes out to be something like $51.20 per GB[shocked]. F*ck that, I can buy data blocks from my ISP internode for MUCH less. I can buy like 1GB for $5, here's a list of data blocks I can buy:
1 Gigabyte $5
2 Gigabytes $10
5 Gigabytes $15
10 Gigabytes $30
20 Gigabytes $60
30 Gigabytes $90

Stuff paying $50 for something when I get get it for $5[thumbup]