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Old 01-15-2008, 07:58 AM   #1
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Default Doctor refuses to uphold end of bargain made for free education
IIRC, if they can't find non-combat place for her (whether due to her beliefs or no room), the Army can require the doctor to pay back the money for the med school education.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:20 AM   #2
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I find it more than a little strange that these beliefs only surfaced as she was being deployed. The army even offered her guarantees she wouldn't be deployed to any potential warzone. As for paying it back, the army isn't Sallie Mae nor is it supposed to be. They fulfilled thier end of the contract and she should fill her end of the bargain. Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Not clear: is she trying to get out of the military altogether, Out, period. At least based on all the reporting so far.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:35 AM   #3
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It wasn't in Med School this supposed conversion occured. It was after graduation and when she was facing deployment.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:49 AM   #4
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Why would she object to being a doctor in a foxhole for religious reasons? If she never carried a gun, just a med kit then she could never take anyone's life, could save some and the worst that could happen is she gets killed.

Does her religion object to people that lay down their lives for others? If so, it can't be a Christian religion, Christ on the cross laying down his life for humanity...

I think this chick is full of crap, could be wrong though.

I recall a story from the military before the first gulf war that a significant % of women got preggo to avoid mid east deployment. Untrained people took their places and had to try to get up to speed during the deployment. Having untrained people in a war costs lives therefore women in the military costs lives. Not PC, but I care not, it sucks.
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:46 AM   #5
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
As for paying it back, the army isn't Sallie Mae nor is it supposed to be. They fulfilled thier end of the contract and she should fill her end of the bargain.Out, period. At least based on all the reporting so far. Ah... well that's not how contract law works .

You can't force someone to perform specific performance if that specific performance is personal service (13th Amendment issues). You can ask for your money back and any penalties and whatnot. Contract law is very flexible about people being able to break their end of the deal as long as the proper penalties are paid.
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:32 PM   #6
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Courts don't like payment programs . That means they've have to constantly check to see if things are being paid on time.
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:40 PM   #7
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Courts don't like payment programs . That means they've have to constantly check to see if things are being paid on time. Indeed, i'm sure she'd be required to pay it up front, she'd have to get a loan on her own...
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:49 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Right on bro! Let's end all military education programs. I'd be more inclined to change the program to add a year in a military jail plus repayment for all applicants that want out after recieving the benefits.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:10 PM   #9
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If they are doing it because of a "truely sincere" belief in the immorality of war, the penalties should be no problem for them Kid.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:18 PM   #10
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Doctors rarely get shot at.
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:37 PM   #11
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Doctors rarely get shot at. Did you ever watch the show MASH?
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Old 01-15-2008, 05:45 PM   #12
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Originally posted by Patroklos
In a related oddity, women soldiers tend to get pregnant just befor they deploy as well! Is that odd to you. I bet men soldiers do quite a bit of impregnated before deployment.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:06 PM   #13
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I'm not sure how CO status applies, as doctors tend to save lives rather than end them. If the military actually paid this woman through medical school and is now planning to have her patrol Baghdad, her religious objections are the least of their problems. However, I doubt they actually did that...she probably just doesn't want to serve and is trying to weasel out of it, like most everyone else in this thread says.

I saw MASH, Kid. Are you implying that our medics spend most of their time drinking, joking, and getting involved in really tepid shenanigans? Now that's a waste of tax money.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:08 PM   #14
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Dude, do you look at the clap line after you pull out of port? The clap doesn't make you miss deployment. Pregers does.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:15 PM   #15
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Yeah, so? They both have drunk sex before deployment and pay for it. You're being a bit sexist. The pill doesn't care if your drunk.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:42 PM   #16
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Originally posted by DirtyMartini


I'm not sure how the military uses it's physicians, but it's highly unlikely they pay for her specialized training in anesthesiology, then make her a field medic. (I'm sure one of our soldiers will correct me there if I'm wrong.) The closest she'd get to combat would be a field hospital or some such, and probably much more likely she'd be in Germany or the States.

I'm sure, as an anesthesiologist, she'd argue that by assisting in surgery performed on wounded soldiers she would be contributing to the war effort by patching them up so they could go kill some more. But, I agree with most others that it's extremely weak. Surely there could be some role that she could fulfill that would not conflict with her religious beliefs. Working in a rehab hospital or pain clinic stateside for example. (I'm not sure if those services exist for vets no longer on combat duty, if they don't, they certainly should.) I agree. Clearly she should have to fulfill an obligation to satisfy her debt. I have no problem with it being in a non-combat related situation. There shoulkd be plenty of those available.
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Old 01-15-2008, 06:58 PM   #17
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I'm sure, as an anesthesiologist, she'd argue that by assisting in surgery performed on wounded soldiers she would be contributing to the war effort by patching them up so they could go kill some more. But, I agree with most others that it's extremely weak. I guess she doesn't have to pay taxes either
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:14 PM   #18
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I'm a mennonite whose specialy is throwing knives, what do you have for me?
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:40 PM   #19
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Originally posted by PLATO
I agree. Clearly she should have to fulfill an obligation to satisfy her debt. I have no problem with it being in a non-combat related situation. There shoulkd be plenty of those available. I say, offer her a non-combat medical job and if she refuses, sue for the money back.
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Old 01-15-2008, 07:51 PM   #20
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Is it possible for her to declare bankruptcy to get out of them?
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