[timmybrown]

just thought I'd post some other pics - 2 weeks later and they have really grown -

still haven't found a home for a single 1 of them though .. still don't know what they are - or how big they'll become ..

[rootoronpunty]

OMG! They are just too damn cute!

They clearly (well seem to) have the pitball look to them, a quick search for pitball puppies and i got this:


A word of warning though, you are in danger... in danger of getting completely smitten with all three to the point you just can't let them go, looking like they do now, I know I couldn't.

This guy is clearly future trouble though!

[timmybrown]

OK -

So my father-in-law found these puppies tied in a bag strung up in a tree - obviously left to die. (That's spain for you - and if my parents back in the states are correct, these dogs are illegal here except if you take a year long class first - so hard to get rid of) and I'm going to a vet on monday to really figure out what they are. Keep in mind - they still can't fully see & walk like they drank 3 bottles of JD. - on a diet of (powdered dog) milk-soaked bread, only about 3 weeks old. I e-mailed my parents back in the states about what they could be - being ALL male - my parents both agree that they are "pit-bulls" that someone wanted to get rid of - and kept all the females. With the ears - and how far apart their eyes are - can't say I'd fully disagree, but doubt it. Anyone who has a clue about dogs that could give me an idea - well - just real courious if I have 3 male pit-bulls on my hands now - thanks -

[animilius]

That's what you get for having feelings. They are adorable though.

[KukkoDrukko]

The ARE without a doubt at least 80% pit bull. The media has made them out to be vicious animals, with people like michael vick, less than human imo, making them beasts. They are just dogs, and are adorable at that. I would talk to a vet and do all the medical stuff first, and then ask about the legal side of it.

[timmybrown]

well, dispite what they are - I've come to the fact in the past 5 days I am going to keep at least 1 of them - probablly the most mild-tempered one, which is the one that is the darkest-brown. But puppy attitues chance rather fast - and you can never tell. anyway - unless they can be calssified as "pure-breds" the legal status really is non-existant here from what I understand, but if they are - then I'll have problems - or if the vet votes them as "close enough" I guess he reports them. But I really have become quite attached to them - can't really explain it. But finding homes for them is nearly impossible. It IS a 15-20 year commitment nobody is really willing to take - especially here ... I'll reiterate it again ... especially in Spain ... Dogs over 5 kilos are merely hunting tools - or home security (but nothing that requires a class, they use more like german shepards). And with these 3 little guys - I'm kinda lost. And this is even before my parents even warned me of any pit-bull idea. - in a way I am glad I still have them - but I guess I need just get to the vet to know for sure. - still, what people do..

[nerkvcbtre]

pit bulls, chows, and other types of dogs that have fighting bred into them will be a lot to handle. There is lots of coverage about these type of dogs going absolutely nuts partly because a lot of people just aren't prepared to be fully responsible for the dogs. Any dog requires responsibility, a pitbull (for nothing more than their connotations today) will require some more. Consider this kind of thing- do you want a dog, or do you want a dog that might place you in compromising positions?

[boffincash]

pit bulls, chows, and other types of dogs that have fighting bred into them will be a lot to handle.

I'm gonna have to disagree. I've dealt plenty of "bully" dogs grown to be very docile and gentle pets. Thier size/strength is something to consider in terms of handling dogs, but thier potential aggressive behavior can be offset with proper training. A good example is a personal friend who's family purchased a pitbull at a very young age. He's completely non-aggressive after proper house training. He's playful, but never bites and locks down with his jaws. Of course this doesn't mean ALL bully dogs will be gentle. But the younger they are, the easier it is to teach them proper behavior around other people/animals.

I will agree with the fact that you need to be fully responsible for your dogs conditioning and well being. I'm not sure about the laws in Spain, but in South Carolina, all dogs are required to be on a leash, tethered to a solid object with at least xx ft. amount of slack (I believe it's around 10-20 ft.) or behind a enclosed fence. This would prevent your dog(s) from straying away and causing any sort of problems.

[nerkvcbtre]

I'm gonna have to disagree. I've dealt plenty of "bully" dogs grown to be very docile and gentle pets. Thier size/strength is something to consider in terms of handling dogs, but thier potential aggressive behavior can be offset with proper training. A good example is a personal friend who's family purchased a pitbull at a very young age. He's completely non-aggressive after proper house training. He's playful, but never bites and locks down with his jaws. Of course this doesn't mean ALL bully dogs will be gentle. But the younger they are, the easier it is to teach them proper behavior around other people/animals.

Thanks for saying that- I think you got the wording perfect.

[Darlmtgq]

We have a dog that is half pit bull. Really sweet thing and wouldn't hurt a thing.

I think that its just how these dogs are mostly raised that is making them illegal. You see these dogs all over the news, but this is how these were happened to be raised, because they were made to make money. Media jumps all over it, scares the average person making them think that they are killers and they get their politicians to vote yes.

But it is mostly how you train these dogs. Like a German Shepard. I want one of these things and you can have these dogs to be the sweetest things ever, or a dog that you do not want to mess with.

[timmybrown]

So I thought I would post a little update -

It went like I thought - went to the vet - and he just classified them as "mutts"
Still have all 3 - The father-in-law thinks that the pit bull idea can't be that far off - they were found in the "country" about an hour and a half from where I live - a place call Casa Rebonella - near Allora, Spain - where he has a finca. They were found just off the property of a guy who owns a smaller brown female pit bull. So they most likley are pit bulls - at least on the mother's side. One of my wife's clients bred pit bulls - saw the pictures - and agrees that they look mostly pit-bull,- but the "small-variety" Anyway - still having a hard time finding homes for them, But at least the vet agrees they are "mixed" enough there is no legal obligations at all - although I need be very pickey about who gets them even if I do find homes for 2 of them - but getting kinda desperate here

Thanks guys

[imporrilk]

send them to Michael Vick.

[nerkvcbtre]

send them to Michael Vick.

sorry, [rofl]

[GillTeepbew]

I have to agree with others. A dogs attitude is all about it's upbringing. I have a full blooded 70lb Pit Bull myself and he's as gentle and playful as a puppy. But he was raised very strictly so that he would not have any aggressive tendencies.

[timmybrown]

that bit on the news I just saw today about 2 pit bull's attacking & killing that like 58 year old neighbour really got me thinking - but then I herd the owner of the dog say it was her son's - and I believe - there are few adults who could be more cruel to anmials than children.

Bad day in the 6'th grade - go home - take it out on the dog - then blame the breed when something bad happens ... A responsible adult shouldn't give a child a pit bull - MOST all children are very mean behind mommy's back. - and its a certinity for an ill-tempered dog - despite the breed. - but then it might be mommy saving her neck - however - I'm 30,- have no children - & dont plan to in the near future - though when I do - this WON'T be their dog.

[AdobebePhoto]

they don't look like pitbulls to me. I could be wrong, but i don't see any pitbull in them. Take them to the vet, like you said for an opinion. If you can't deal with them, he may know someone or a shelter who can (and who won't euthanize them) If they are pit, i would be hesitant to keep one of them... i'm not 100% against it, but you need to be an exceptional dog handler to own a pitbull.

they don't look so much like pits to me though, they look like run of the mill mutts, like they have some beagle or hound dog, maybe some spanish farm breed i don't know of, I guess the snouts are real short, and that's why people say they could be pitbull. Are there many pitbulls in spain? that's suprising. I thought only idiots in the US liked pitbulls. I hate that trend to tell you the truth, if a dude needs a tough dog to prove that he's tough.... he probably isn't all that bad. just likes to think he is.

that bit on the news I just saw today about 2 pit bull's attacking & killing that like 58 year old neighbour really got me thinking - but then I herd the owner of the dog say it was her son's - and I believe - there are few adults who could be more cruel to anmials than children.

Bad day in the 6'th grade - go home - take it out on the dog - then blame the breed when something bad happens ... A responsible adult shouldn't give a child a pit bull - MOST all children are very mean behind mommy's back. - and its a certinity for an ill-tempered dog - despite the breed. - but then it might be mommy saving her neck - however - I'm 30,- have no children - & dont plan to in the near future - though when I do - this WON'T be their dog. yep., that is a terrible story. I got the impression it really wasn't a "child" rather, he child was a 20 years old or something and a complete dumbass who bought a pitbull for the "image" that is what happens 90% of the time with these attack cases. It's sickening, to tell you the truth. My sister lives in a real urban area, nice area, but there are some lower income neighborhoods nearby, there are packs of dogs running all over thru her neighborhood, most all of them are pits or partial pits, and it's just a case of jackoffs buying these dogs because they saw a rap video... and they have absolutely no responsibility whatsoever, not for themselves, let alone a dog that's hard to handle.

Don't get me wrong, i absolutely love dogs, I mean, I really love them! I'm partial to "working dogs" like herding dogs, bird dogs, farm dogs, ect.. The reason being working dogs tend to be much smarter, and tend to be much more compatible to humans. I have a Border Collie named Lucky, she is the greatest~~~ I do hope you keep one of those dogs though. Dogs are wonderful!

[timmybrown]

Thanks for the concern,

kinda late here so I'll get to the point - the wife became honest - near my father in-law's finca there are auctually 2 houses that have (breed) pit bulls. 1 breeds arginitian dogos (spain loves everything about argentinia), the other, sattafordshire pits (like the english love the Costa del Sol & the dogs are now nearly banned in the UK). anyway - after all I'm hearing from her - and how ":certain" my father-in-law is about the whole thing - if I was concerned at all they are pits - I'd be more hesitant than not to say they are - half of course. I'd bet a female was impregnated by something other than a pit - thus making the male puppies "worthess" to the breeder. - But the females can breed a "watered-down" pits if impregnated by a male pit - which is why only the males were strung out to die. Anyway - can't say I'm exceptional when it comes to training dogs - but I am pacitent and understanding. Only real thing to remember - Dogs dont respond to punishment - they respond to rewards - timing is everything when it comes to the rewards & you cant succom to their whims. The dog below is my wife's - and if there is a dog that is more protective - spontaneous - and dangerous - I'd like to meet'em. I keep telling her - believe it or not - it's dangerous -though she'll argue - spoiled beyond belief. the main rule that has entered my house - my wife focuses on mickey (the dog) and I got the pups. Anyway, a well-tempered "nutered" pit in my bouse - really would be more a blessing than not @ this time in my life, I'm a 30-year old unemployed techie, ex-ski/snowboard instructor, who has multiple masters (MBA) degrees in Business, that drives a motorcycle (Ducati & HD) who loves his herb - what else is there to say ??

[AdobebePhoto]

Thanks for the concern,

kinda late here so I'll get to the point - the wife became honest - near my father in-law's finca there are auctually 2 houses that have (breed) pit bulls. 1 breeds arginitian dogos (spain loves everything about argentinia), the other, sattafordshire pits (like the english love the Costa del Sol). anyway - after all I'm hearing from her - and how ":certain" my father-in-law is about the whole thing - if I was concerned at all they are pits - I'd be more hesitant than not to say they are - half of course. I'd bet a female was impregnated by something other than a pit - thus making the male puppies "worthess" to the breeder. - But the females can breed a "watered-down" pit if impregnated by a male pit - which is why only the males were strung out to die. Anyway - can't say I'm exceptional when it comes to training dogs - but I am pacitent and understanding. Only real thing to remember - Dogs dont respond to punishment - they respond to rewards - timing is everything when it comes to the rewards & you cant succom to their whims. The dog below is my wife's - and if there is a dog that is more protective - spontaneous - and dangerous - I'd like to meet'em. I keep telling her - believe it or not - it's dangerous -though she'll argue - spoiled beyond belief. the main rule that has entered my house - my wife focuses on mickey (the dog) and I got the pups. Anyway, a well-tempered "nutered" pit in my bouse - really would be more a blessing than not @ this time in my life, I'm an 30-year old unemployed techie, ex-ski/snowboard instructor, who has multiple masters (MBA) degrees in Business, that drives a motorcycle (Ducati & HD) who loves his herb - what else is there to say ??

well that sounds great. I'm sure you'll do fine with one of those pups. Also, every Irish Deadhead should own a 1/2 pitbull.... so glad you are taking heed We have a few things in common, I used to snowboard a 100 or so times a year in breckenridge, co, and Aleyeska, Alaska. I've also seen the dead a few dozen times, and I love dogs. oh yeah, I'm irish american. I also have an interest in something else you mentioned, and it's not motorcycles. let us know how the dog situation turns out.



anyways, hope you enjoy that dog! where did you snowboard/ski instruct? Also, which one of those 3 are you gonna keep? I have no idea thier personalities, but imo, the 3rd is the cutest. they're all cute though, so i would pick based on demeanor. It might actually be a good idea not to pick the Alpha, particulalry since thier 1/2 pit, and if you ever plan to make it a family dog around children.