[YabbaIn]

41lb.ft less torque and now has 200lbs more towing capacity then the Tundra. [rofl]

Got Mike Rowe doing some commercials, and even some dude with the deep American manly voice that is supposed to be more manly and American then the Tundra commercials dude. Plus they are doing more F-250 commercials, which I can see why as it is like a completely different truck from the F-150 and really is only their competition to the Tundra.


Funny! Funny! These car commercials are the best I think though, so I hope that Dodge and Chevy come out with some of their own!

[DuesTyr]

Toyota is sweet.

[sobre]

Yup... Toyota rules.


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[SallythePearl]

The Tundra may be the "better" truck, but no matter how good it is it won't outsell the F150.

Why?

It's not an American brand. Say what you will about that thought process, but it's the truth, and it's how many American truck buyers think.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Actually buying American, if you are American works just fine. Its putting money back into our own economy rather than a foreign economy. Its good for the US. Thats why, though it gets simplified into patriotism by most people.

I'd rather buy American than foreign. Not saying all other cars are crap, I don't generalize like that. But I'd rather put money back into one of the big three than a foreign company. If two cars are mostly comparable, one foreign, one domestic then I'll buy the Domestic car.

[QbCp7LaZ]

The last toyota I owned turned out to be a steaming pile of cow dung. It was a 2001 Toyota Celica.

That being said.. I'd still buy a toyota over a ford.

[YabbaIn]

Actually buying American, if you are American works just fine. Its putting money back into our own economy rather than a foreign economy. Its good for the US. Thats why, though it gets simplified into patriotism by most people.

I'd rather buy American than foreign. Not saying all other cars are crap, I don't generalize like that. But I'd rather put money back into one of the big three than a foreign company. If two cars are mostly comparable, one foreign, one domestic then I'll buy the Domestic car.

You do know that Japanese motors are made in America right? And more then 50% of the car is made in America? While more American cars are made in Canada/Mexico with only 30% to 50% of the car being made in America?
Chysler's Headquarters being in Europe doesn't help either.
So even by buying a European auto, a lot of that money is still being pumped back into the American economy, and in some cases, more so then buy an American auto.



Though for myself, I prefer American as literally every experience that I have had with a Jap auto has not been a good experience.

[sobre]

My car was made in Kentucky.
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[Wetekemieluth]

Actually buying American, if you are American works just fine. Its putting money back into our own economy rather than a foreign economy. Its good for the US. Thats why, though it gets simplified into patriotism by most people.

I'd rather buy American than foreign. Not saying all other cars are crap, I don't generalize like that. But I'd rather put money back into one of the big three than a foreign company. If two cars are mostly comparable, one foreign, one domestic then I'll buy the Domestic car.

As much as i am patriotic, American cars are crap, for both quality and style (style IMO, but quality is not...), and would rather vote with my money. The big three are hurting for a reason, and it is pure lack of quality.

Japanese companies have not forgotten that, for the most part, and still require vehicles built to higher standards.

And as somebody else pointed out, the Japs are moving alot of factories here, so we are still helping our economy.

[metropropuskruww]

Chysler's Headquarters being in Europe doesn't help either.
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The HQ for Chrysler is in Auburn Hills, Michigan.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

Style is your opinion, I don't like some of the styling cues Dodge is going with.

Quality? I'd say your wrong there. For both cost, and frequency of repair GM, Ford, and Chrysler are doing quite well. Its been flipping between American, and foreign cars for quality for the past few years. It was true, in the past that American mfg's were lacking on the quality department.

My Ford escort has run forever, none of the stock parts on my TransAm have failed. My 99' Kia Sephia is also doing very well at 110,000 miles. Still getting 30mpg+ on average, does very well on the highway, and still has ice cold A/C.

Also, I do mechanic work on the side and MOST of the cars I have to work on are foreign cars; as well as being PITAs to work on.

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I do know that GM's line-ups are MFG'd elsewhere. But the corporatation is located in the US, and the profits benefit the US. More so than Toyota/Lexus, Nissan, BMW...etc..

I never have problems with my cars. My Kia is the youngest at 8yrs, the Escort 2nd at 14yrs, and my TransAm the big brother at 18yrs old. The only non-maintenance repair on the escort has been a radiator that had a pinhole leak due to a rock hitting the fins hard. The TransAm has been through several surgeries in my quest for power so its hard to tell what lasts and what doesn't. The Kia is in need of a CV Joint finally.

[QbCp7LaZ]

American cars are crap, for both quality and style My 1998 pontiac sunfire runs great at 170k miles. Doesn't leak a drop of oil. Even in sub zero temps it starts right up. I've never really had any problems with it. Worst thing that ever happened was I was on the highway and a pully went out. I had taken it to a mechanic and they told me it was the air compressor, which DOES squeak. Turned out that wasn't the problem. Wouldn't have been an issue if they'd diagnosed it properly then and replaced the dying pulley. All I needed was a new pully and new belt and it was back to good running condition. The car only has 2 other issues. My air compressor squeaks, but works fine. My heat doesn't work for crap. Probably just needs a new thermostat which I've been too lazy to replace.

Fared far better than my 2001 celica which I never did learn what was truely wrong with it. Transmission did, engine started to sludge. 43k miles. I got screwed hardcore on that.

There are a number of good american cars. Any car can be a lemon though. Even a lexus can turn out to be a nightmare.

[YabbaIn]

Quality of the cars can go either way. From experience, foreign cars have worser quality products, though everyone experiences different things.

American companies really have been coming out with some looking rides. Far better looking then the conservative Jap motors. Plus they are starting to give the Jap motors a good run for their own money.



Chrysler is now DaimlerChrysler, and most of their happenings as of late as been coming out of Germany. There is a headquarters here in America, but that is mostly the division headquarters, and Germany is the place where the big bad wolf lives. Should have been more detailed.

[cinggooft]

plus the tundra does not have a diesel, whereas all american truck makers have one in their flock. diesels are needed here for many things heavy work etc.

[QuidQuoPro]

plus the tundra does not have a diesel, whereas all american truck makers have one in their flock. diesels are needed here for many things heavy work etc.

Excellent point. For curosities sake, pull into Home Depot. Spot how many F150/250's are there. And of which, how many are diesel. A good potion if I had to guess. The reason I say this is, contractors tend to use diesel trucks.

[Haibundadam]

Buying a car is like having kids.....

It's a flip of the coin for the most part......but by servicing and care.....it will probably
live till you kill it or you get rid of it........[rofl]

[Nurse_sero]

I once heard that there were more American made parts inside of most Japanese cars than inside of American made cars. Dunno if that's true or not but it'd be funny if it were.

about the diesel comment, I live around Detroit and there are a LOT of truck owners here and I barely see any diesels. I don't know where you get that impression that there are more diesel trucks than gasoline but I see the exact opposite.

[Jambjanatan]

The Tundra may be the "better" truck, but no matter how good it is it won't outsell the F150.

Why?

It's not an American brand. Say what you will about that thought process, but it's the truth, and it's how many American truck buyers think.

American truck buyers know the toyota truck wont hold up to abuse from hard work day in and day out and thats a fact. The T100 was a POS, the Tundra is nice for a daily driver but doesnt hold up to daily hard work and I seriously dbout this new Tundra will hold up either.

Go to any construction site and what do you see? You see trucks from the big 3.

Look at all your local landscape companys that are mostly foreign owned and operated. What do you see? Trucks from the big 3.

My cousin has a Tundra and he tried to use it to deliver newspapers. With the weight in the back it sags worse than an old womans wrinkly sacks. After 2 years of this kind of use the truck now permanantly sags. The brake system also wasnt up to the task. It wore through brakes 2-3 times a year and warped rotors at least once a year. God help him if he were to try to use it for any kind of REAL work. The truck would be at the dump getting crushed up by now.

Untill Toyota comes out with a heavy duty truck 3/4 or 1 ton then the american big 3 will always outsell toyota in the truck department.

[herbalviagra]

I once heard that there were more American made parts inside of most Japanese cars than inside of American made cars. Dunno if that's true or not but it'd be funny if it were.

about the diesel comment, I live around Detroit and there are a LOT of truck owners here and I barely see any diesels. I don't know where you get that impression that there are more diesel trucks than gasoline but I see the exact opposite.

That's complete bullshit. Go to a car dealer and look at the window stickers, it tells you what percentage of parts are from each country.

The diesel statement was just saying that for any REAL WORLD heavy towing, you need a diesel truck, which is something foreign makers don't offer. The problem I have with Toyota's brake claim is, yeah, technically they are bigger, but only 2 tenths of a inch bigger than Ford's F-250; hardly enough to make a considerable difference. The rear discs are the same.

[Jambjanatan]

I once heard that there were more American made parts inside of most Japanese cars than inside of American made cars. Dunno if that's true or not but it'd be funny if it were.

about the diesel comment, I live around Detroit and there are a LOT of truck owners here and I barely see any diesels. I don't know where you get that impression that there are more diesel trucks than gasoline but I see the exact opposite.

There are TONS of 3/4 and 1 ton diesel trucks around here where I live. As a matter of fact in the next 2 years I am buying a new 3/4 ton Chevy K2500 4X4 4 door crew cab long bed dually with the Duramax diesel and allison transmission. [thumbup]