[gugqgbyzlp]

I'm not a mormon yet. I need to die first and I'm in no hurry for that.

[avaicavum]

Why not set up a therapy group that encourages Jews to come, and to pray their Jewishness away?

Jews for Jesus already exists.

[viagraman]

Not from our end, we're not. But we don't make specific claims about who goes where, in any case.

Well, full communion meaning that Catholics can take communion at Orthodox Churches and Orthodox believers can take communion at Catholic Churches - I thought that was a deal worked out with Pope and Patriarch of (somewhere) during John Paul II's papacy.

[Jeffery]

It is much different than having a political position and seeing people who don't believe the same way at not having as complete understanding of the issue?

[amelveEnromma]

So do you consider you to be "certainly looking down on others" who have religious faith?

[boanuatiguali]

Well, full communion meaning that Catholics can take communion at Orthodox Churches and Orthodox believers can take communion at Catholic Churches - I thought that was a deal worked out with Pope and Patriarch of (somewhere) during John Paul II's papacy.

Nope. They're fine with us having communion there, but if we do, we effectively excommunicate ourselves. The RCC is still heretical from our POV.

The ****? I wouldn't call this hatred, but it is certainly looking down on others because they don't share the same religion as you, and thus not too far from it.

Er, I know you think we're all illogical and stupid and such, but what position do you expect us to take? "Yes, your understanding of theology is exactly as good as ours, including the parts which contradict what we say. No, that doesn't make one's choice of religion a complete irrelevance, why do you ask?" What Imran said is essentially the Orthodox position on the matter AFAIK; the fullness of the faith/the most complete understanding is ours, but that does not mean other faiths do not have their own wisdom from God.

[myspauyijbv]

Er, I know you think we're all illogical and stupid and such, but what position do you expect us to take? "Yes, your understanding of theology is exactly as good as ours, including the parts which contradict what we say. No, that doesn't make one's choice of religion a complete irrelevance, why do you ask?"

I didn't say anything about being illogical or stupid. I'm just stating an inherent problem between those with different religious beliefs.

What Imran said is essentially the Orthodox position on the matter AFAIK; the fullness of the faith/the most complete understanding is ours, but that does not mean other faiths do not have their own wisdom from God. No, he did not say anything like that. Maybe you're posting in the wrong thread.

[RemiVedia]

I didn't say anything about being illogical or stupid. I'm just stating an inherent problem between those with different religious beliefs.

What, that we can't hold an opinion while thinking that its opposite is equally true in the name of tolerance or something? If I believe God is right-handed and you believe He's a lefty, I can't think we're both right. At least, not in the same way.

No, he did not say anything like that. Maybe you're posting in the wrong thread. Yes, he did, he just didn't use the language of Orthodox theology to do it.

[mtautomoscow]

Wha? He said nothing about moral inferiority one way or another. He just said they have an inferior understanding, which is pretty much necessary. If he thought Judaism was exactly as valid as his form of Christianity, that would leave him either believing two contradictory things or believing nothing at all. If there is a truth to be known, it stands to reason that some would be closer to it than others. Barring certain odd situations like each getting an equal number of aspects of the truth right, or some such. But the general idea of religion is knowing The Truth--not something that might be The Truth but then again so could Judaism so what the hey, but the actual Truth.

Supposing for the sake of argument that what Imran has is The Truth, then what Jews have is necessarily not The Truth insofar as it differs from what Imran has. If what Imran has is not The Truth, then he should get cracking and find what The Truth really is.

[GtmFeqJJ]

Wha? He said nothing about moral inferiority one way or another. He just said they have an inferior understanding, which is pretty much necessary. If he thought Judaism was exactly as valid as his form of Christianity, that would leave him either believing two contradictory things or believing nothing at all. If there is a truth to be known, it stands to reason that some would be closer to it than others. Barring certain odd situations like each getting an equal number of aspects of the truth right, or some such. But the general idea of religion is knowing The Truth--not something that might be The Truth but then again so could Judaism so what the hey, but the actual Truth.

Supposing for the sake of argument that what Imran has is The Truth, then what Jews have is necessarily not The Truth insofar as it differs from what Imran has. If what Imran has is not The Truth, then he should get cracking and find what The Truth really is.

Really I don't understand people who think that Christians/Muslims/Jews/Humanists/etc should consider everyone else's beliefs has equally valid.

It is completely nonsense.

Well said Elok.

JM

[nobodyhere]

Jews for Jesus already exists.

I should not be surprised.

[Ankeseiband]

Another question in regard to religious values and bigotry.

Why do we allow atheists to get married in the United States, when the religious right insists that marriage is a religious institution (just ignore marriage administered by justices of peace)?

[pinawinekolad]

Really I don't understand people who think that Christians/Muslims/Jews/Humanists/etc should consider everyone else's beliefs has equally valid.

It is completely nonsense.

Well said Elok.

JM

OK, now I think you all may be thick.

[lalpphilalk]

OK, now I think you all may be thick.

Why don't you try explaining how they are equal? Do you even know anything about those religions to say that they are equal?

[MrsGoo]

Seriously, if you're not going to even address my point, why respond to me?

What was your point? You appear to be claiming that we ought to accept all religious beliefs as equally valid or true in some sense; this, as I said, would make all theology utterly meaningless. It's not a matter of tolerance or bigotry, but of basic logic. If Christians are no more correct than Jews, why would anybody want to be a Christian? Is it just the fondness for pork?

[Cyncceply]

What was your point? You appear to be claiming that we ought to accept all religious beliefs as equally valid or true in some sense; this, as I said, would make all theology utterly meaningless. It's not a matter of tolerance or bigotry, but of basic logic. If Christians are no more correct than Jews, why would anybody want to be a Christian? Is it just the fondness for pork?

Where did I claim that we ought to accept all religious beliefs? Seriously, look for it, get on the same page, and then come back, because all I'm seeing from you is a bunch of unsubstantiated assumptions of what you think I am talking about. Maybe if you weren't so full of yourself, you'd be able to have a normal conversation with someone.

[SeLvesTr]

Imran said Jews have a lesser understanding of God than Christians. This should not be shocking, given:

A. Imran believes religion is a matter of factual truth
B. Imran is a Christian
C. Christians and Jews believe different things

From A and B, we can conclude D that Imran thinks Christianity is correct, or at least comes nearest to the truth. From C and D we can conclude (from his POV) that Christianity has a better understanding of the truth than Judaism. There should be nothing controversial or offensive about this, and I should expect any Jew to hold a similar position regarding Christianity.