[Cucoulkrory]

Article published 11/08, midst of the global financial shock. Most of the views expressed I'd say would be transferable to any Western "sex tourist" worldwide, also wrt to the popular "sex tourism destinations" worldwide, incl. wider SE Asia and parts of Latin America. The interesting aspects in this article unique to "Israeli sex tourists", include their feelings about what snobby beeotches typical Israeli women are, which evokes the "Women's Lib as illuminati-bankster plot to weaken society" theory, interesting because Israeli society (Rothschild's country), has apparently been similarly affected by the destruction of traditional gender roles and consequent tension/frustration between the genders in relationships. Did the 'luminati banksters have their own headquarters: Apartheid-Israel in mind too when they rolled out their "Women's Lib Movement"?? You'd think not...

Also unique to "Israeli sex tourists" perspective is the vomit-inducing section on "Giving them a nasty STD Zionism"-- educating the prostitutes about how eeevil the scary moozlemist Aye-rabs are, and then there's the well-brainwashed IDF soldiers' perspective,

[...] "You see how we have a culture of personal glorification, of saying that who you are is related to the occupation of the other. This is how people grow, through the subjugation of others. It's possible to see this in the way we don't acknowledge what is happening in Gaza or the failures of the Second Lebanon War. We see these as the result of us not finishing the job, because the resistance of the prostitute was too strong. She said there was a limit to how much you can trample on her." [...]

eww, just, eww.

Then there's some observation about Buddhism, dominant in Thailand/SE Asia, as being non-judgmental wrt sexual matters. But I know from time spent in Latin America, ostensibly Catholic dominated- that the prostitution & marital infidelity scene is pretty swingin', so I tend to dismiss Buddhism as a factor. But religion surely is a factor in the attitudes/cultures in other countries wrt gender/sex relations: scary moozlemismist countries come to mind.


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What do Israeli sex tourists in Thailand really think?
Guy Brucker spent three months in Pattaya, where Israeli men go for one reason - to have sex with prostitutes.
By Yotam Feldman and Haaretz Correspondent

[hs6KnlcW]

Wow - such hatred!

Am I incorrect to believe (from the article) that the reason Jewish wives are angry that their men are (paying) for sex in Thailand is that this means the men are not spending money on them?

[Galinastva]

oh yes, these girls transported from their remote towns where people fall in love and get married and have children and build a family and a home and live naeive safe content lives are just oozing to have lots of fornication in every decadant way NOT Because their pimp beats them and starves them and hooks them on the junk. Its because they want to. And they are all budhists so clearly budhism doesn't care, obviously, because after all they are all budhists. HUH?

Crazy justification but it's whats to be expected from people. THey will use what ever to justify their own morally destitute souls.

These girls are doing it for survival. Not because they want to. If they are lucky someone might pluck them from this hell hole but will their pimp just let them go? And wear the income loss? Not likely.

I remember seeing a kind of underground web site, this goes back a lot of years now. It was kind of like a version of Lonely Planet but for sex tourism. Men would share their experiences of picking up girls, prostitutes or escourts in various countries around the world. They would say this tourist spot was good to pick up such and such girls or they would share stories of who they picked up and where. On the steps of this monument or what ever. All money or "gift" related encounters. Can't recall it's name. Its big business for sure.

[hs6KnlcW]

oh yes, these girls transported from their remote towns where people fall in love and get married and have children and build a family and a home and live naeive safe content lives are just oozing to have lots of fornication in every decadant way NOT Because their pimp beats them and starves them and hooks them on the junk. Its because they want to. And they are all budhists so clearly budhism doesn't care, obviously, because after all they are all budhists. HUH?

Crazy justification but it's whats to be expected from people. THey will use what ever to justify their own morally destitute souls.

These girls are doing it for survival. Not because they want to. If they are lucky someone might pluck them from this hell hole but will their pimp just let them go? And wear the income loss? Not likely.

Umm, a request, please live in Thailand for a few months before posting uninformed statements.

IMHO can reside in Hua Hin, Chaing Mai, Isaan, Song Kla or even Bangkok it does not matter - the story is the same.

Yes, Ya Bah (meth) is a problem throughout SE Asia, but not forced on girls (unlike the US). Granted, using meth allows girls to dance on stage longer, getting more tips and more "offers" but the down side is readily visible to everyone as the drug takes it toll. (Thais still have a death penalty on drug trafficking.)

As far as commercial prostitution, the US really started it (Vietnam war), though like many Asian cultures, the females are clearly second class citizens (technically third behind the water buffalo). The girls in the western bars are thrilled to make 8,000B (~$250 US) a month (about half is sent home). The Thai brothels are far worse in rural areas (both pay scale and lack of [western] condoms).

The Thai girls in general have a 4-6th grade education, and usually, at least one child who the (Thai) father abandoned shortly after birth, and no options - unless starving on a rice paddy in Isaan counts - (per capita income is far less than $100 US per month). The bar girls are in the bars hoping to get lucky - either marry a foreigner and live in Europe/US, or at least get a few $100 US a month in subsidy. This seems to happen often enough that the girls are willing to take the chance - literally the Thai lottery.

Do they have other options? Yes - work in a factory town for $200 a month - less the mandatory room rental fees and food (oh, btw rape is both frequent and not prosecuted), stay in Isaan (and be raped by an "uncle" continually) - that is about it. No education, no skills, no options.

My experience with the bargirls is that they want nothing more than security, and preferably, a good heart (meaning they will not be physically abused by their husband). These poor girls have no good choices and very little hope of a future.

The really sad part is that Thailand is way ahead of its neighbors - Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia (all sh*tholes).

[Cucoulkrory]

I remember seeing a kind of underground web site, this goes back a lot of years now. It was kind of like a version of Lonely Planet but for sex tourism. Men would share their experiences of picking up girls, prostitutes or escourts in various countries around the world. They would say this tourist spot was good to pick up such and such girls or they would share stories of who they picked up and where. On the steps of this monument or what ever. All money or "gift" related encounters. Can't recall it's name. Its big business for sure.

prolly http://www.internationalsexguide.info

I'm in Chiang Mai now, BTW, home of Dr. Doom!

Yes my guess is the Israeli womens' main beef is their mates' allocation of his monetary resources.

Yes 99.9X% of prostitutes worldwide are in it for survival. It's broadening out in the West with the banksters' controlled demolition of the Middle Class- check your craigslist "casual encounters/ women seeking men" section lately? It's not just underclass crack-ho's anymore, it's the mushrooming former Middle Class, selling more than buying, as you might imagine.

[hs6KnlcW]

I'm in Chiang Mai now, BTW, home of Dr. Doom!

[/quote]

IMHO - there is a private museum just outside of Chiang Mai, the very best thing you can see. The owner spent his entire life buying up the traditional teak carvings - some are hundreds of years old - the "museum" is a jumble of amazing carvings - well worth your time. (Granted, the Queen mothers chalet is nice, at least the gardens are as well as the Hmong villages to just outside, but the museum is beyond belief.)

[Cucoulkrory]

oh yeah there's also this article, a guest writer at Makow's site; author's "chauvinism" is offset in the nice mix of insightful reader comments after:

Thailand - Retirement Paradise For White Men

[massons]

As far as commercial prostitution, the US really started it (Vietnam war), though like many Asian cultures, the females are clearly second class citizens (technically third behind the water buffalo). The girls in the western bars are thrilled to make 8,000B (~$250 US) a month (about half is sent home). The Thai brothels are far worse in rural areas (both pay scale and lack of [western] condoms).

I agree in the main with your post, however, blaming it on USA during Vietnam war is not accurate.

"women are blades of grass for men to step on" - proverb/saying said to young women in China (and prob. other parts of Asia) pre-WWII.

Read the book by Pearl S Buck, "The Good Earth" again, written pre-WWII and the use of women for pleasure inside and outside of marriage is widespread.

For the Philippines, it was the Spanish priests who got a lot of women knocked up, later it was Spanish traders and others out to make their fortune; this started long long before the USA even got involved in the Phils.

Another saying "Asia is hell for women and heaven for men" ...

[botagozzz]

Originally Posted by Glass oh yes, these girls transported from their remote towns where people fall in love and get married and have children and build a family and a home and live naeive safe content lives are just oozing to have lots of fornication in every decadant way NOT Because their pimp beats them and starves them and hooks them on the junk. Its because they want to. And they are all budhists so clearly budhism doesn't care, obviously, because after all they are all budhists. HUH?

Crazy justification but it's whats to be expected from people. THey will use what ever to justify their own morally destitute souls.

These girls are doing it for survival. Not because they want to. If they are lucky someone might pluck them from this hell hole but will their pimp just let them go? And wear the income loss? Not likely.

Umm, a request, please live in Thailand for a few months before posting uninformed statements.

IMHO can reside in Hua Hin, Chaing Mai, Isaan, Song Kla or even Bangkok it does not matter - the story is the same.

Yes, Ya Bah (meth) is a problem throughout SE Asia, but not forced on girls (unlike the US). Granted, using meth allows girls to dance on stage longer, getting more tips and more "offers" but the down side is readily visible to everyone as the drug takes it toll. (Thais still have a death penalty on drug trafficking.)

As far as commercial prostitution, the US really started it (Vietnam war), though like many Asian cultures, the females are clearly second class citizens (technically third behind the water buffalo). The girls in the western bars are thrilled to make 8,000B (~$250 US) a month (about half is sent home). The Thai brothels are far worse in rural areas (both pay scale and lack of [western] condoms).

The Thai girls in general have a 4-6th grade education, and usually, at least one child who the (Thai) father abandoned shortly after birth, and no options - unless starving on a rice paddy in Isaan counts - (per capita income is far less than $100 US per month). The bar girls are in the bars hoping to get lucky - either marry a foreigner and live in Europe/US, or at least get a few $100 US a month in subsidy. This seems to happen often enough that the girls are willing to take the chance - literally the Thai lottery.

Do they have other options? Yes - work in a factory town for $200 a month - less the mandatory room rental fees and food (oh, btw rape is both frequent and not prosecuted), stay in Isaan (and be raped by an "uncle" continually) - that is about it. No education, no skills, no options.

My experience with the bargirls is that they want nothing more than security, and preferably, a good heart (meaning they will not be physically abused by their husband). These poor girls have no good choices and very little hope of a future.

The really sad part is that Thailand is way ahead of its neighbors - Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia (all sh*tholes).


one of the guys at the local wireless Internet cafe used to come in at 6 AM to do Skyping with his ex-wife's relatives in Thailand to try and get his wife back.

he married the daughter of a crime gang. his ex-wife's mother in law is a Madam, and a retired prostitute. we'll call him John #1.


we often use the term "whore" as a derogatory term, but i don't think it is anything to be ashamed of. as people are pointing out, these girls don't have many choices. for many, prostitution is the least unpleasant of many unpleasant choices.


anyway, John #1 is about 55 years old. his ex-wife is in her 20's. the arrangement was, he was supposed to send his ex-wife's family - specifically, her mother - about $200 a month - every month.

he got tired of sending the money. he wasn't exactly Superman - about 5'5", 200 pounds +, and we're not talking a Franco Columbo build (one of Schwarzenegger's shorter bodybuilding colleagues).

anyway, he used the wireless at the Internet cafe because they had great bandwidth at 6 AM, 10 times faster than later in the day. and since he was Skyping, and the place was very un-crowded, and John #1 was quite distraught about the loss of his wife, i learned far more than i ever expected about the Thai sex tourism industry.


basically, although John #1 could offer his wife a home in the US, and was willing to support her while she went to college, she chose to go for a younger, wealthier, fitter, new husband, in Thailand.

of course, it took John #1 a while to let go. that's where we, the other early morning customers of the Internet cafe, came in. we got to hear the whole bloody mess. it went on for weeks. then John #1 took off for Thailand.

of course, his ex-mother-in-law is one of the chieftains in a major organized crime family. and John #1 stands out like a fat white man in a land of skinny Thai people.

if he actually did venture too far into his ex-wife's village and the surrounding region, my guess is, he'll be looking to come out with one kidney intact.

[HoniSoniproca]

Wow - such hatred!

Am I incorrect to believe (from the article) that the reason Jewish wives are angry that their men are (paying) for sex in Thailand is that this means the men are not spending money on them?

:lol

[Cucoulkrory]

Still in Land of Smiles. This forum TeakDoor is good, bunch of resident expats and travelers (usu in long distance relationships), very active, almost all males from US CA AU NZ EU, not a sex tourism site but not prudish.

This subforum's good,
Living In Thailand Forum - How much rent should I pay? Should I buy a car or bike? Does Tesco sell the cheapest toasters? Will soi food poison me? Are insects delicious? Should I marry a bar girl?

good threads:
How Does the Thai Population Support Itself
Thai culture - is there a flipside
My first Thai police interaction
Sinsod for 19y/o ex-virgin girlfriend
Thai Dating Scene - "Hi I'm a 19 year old white male. What should I expect as far as dating in Thailand? When I say dating, I mean dating LOL, I'm young enough not to need to go to the girl bars. "
Girlfriend's mother has just lost major face
Should I Take The Risk ? - on trying to open a biz in Thailand
Attacked, a cautionary tale - see the vid in this reply - good thing I don't drink!

those are just a handful from the recent 2 pages that subforum.

[massons]

Have to say PatColo, some of those threads are a fun read!

[Cucoulkrory]

Have to say PatColo, some of those threads are a fun read!

I'm still getting through the Thai dating one, this old Ozer has generously shared his sex life story,

Life certainly gets more complicated as we get older. When I was a young bloke, all you had to do was buy a girl a few beers or vodka and oranges and offer to give her a lift home from the pub on a Friday night. There was a few uppedy bitches there that drank those blue lagoon liqueur drinks, but I always gave those ones a miss because I figured they wouldn't come across.

Then when all this sexual equality stuff came in the girls started getting their own cars, which kinda thinned out the pickings at the pub in getting a root for the price of a lift home. The bitches still expected you to buy their drinks for them though. The pick up lines had to change then. Like, -- "G'day, you drive down here tonight or what?"

After several years of marriage followed by a divorce I found the rules had changed again. Casual roots were harder to come by now and required a bit more work. Most of the gash on the market was divorced with a couple of kids and of course the house courtesy of the ex. They had become far more cagey about handing over the goods. Most of them were better off financially than the blokes but still expected the blokes to pay. Conversation over a nice dinner on a first date went like an interview with a bank manager, -- they all seemed to be asking the same sorts of questions. Questions like -- where do you work. How long have you been there ($)? Do you own your own home or do you rent ($)? I sometimes expected them to pull a calculator to total up my nett worth. Prostitution by stealth really.

Occasionally you would come across a root rat that wanted to go at it day and night, but usually they were damaged goods with some serious baggage. Got stuck with one such nutter for over a year when I was in my early 30s. But couldn't stand the drama of regular split ups and reunions. The last I saw of her was when I threw her down the front stairs. It was only 4 stairs and there was grass at the bottom, so not so bad.

That was the start of my "blue period" where I didn't go out much anymore. Discouraged that most of the sheilas who were formerly up for it had priced themselves out of the market.

Then I discovered Thailand at 41 years old. It was like dieing and going to pussy heaven. It was still all about money, but the prices were so much lower and the pussy was so much younger with firm bodies.
After a while I tired of the hookers and met my now Thai wife. Same age as me.

We married after a year and 3 months in Oz to see how she liked it. All was rosey for a few years until she became westernized by a couple of feminazi bitches she worked with and who had taken her under their wings as a project to educate to the western womens ways. At the same time she started socializing with a couple of younger ex-Thai whores who had snared older farangs. Both of whom have since cleaned their spouses out financially and moved on now. We had some tough times for a few years, but things have settled down now.

Bottom line is that I have come to see that most women are whores in one respect or another. Good luck to those blokes who claim their Thai wives are financially independent and stay with them for their good looks and charm. If true, I reckon they are in a small minority. Women anywhere dont marry foreigners 20, 30, 40 years their senior simply because Thai man no good, -- butterfly too mutt. Though I do understand that such an arrangement could evolve into true feelings of love and companionship.

Now that I am approaching 60 here in farangland I see that there is a surplus of lonely 50 to 60 year old females, some of them quite wealthy. Thier price has come down considerably with age. But what sort of bloke would want to team up with a 60 year old farang woman when there is all those hard bodied little brown things in Thailand going so cheap? Same goes for Thai women I suppose since I have yet to run into another farang married to a Thai in their own age group.

I been married to a Thai for 15 years now and be dammed if I am going to deny myself the pleasure of the occasional dalliance with a cute little 20 year old in my final years. Its really just a matter of following Thai protocol. Dont ever do it in a place where your wifes friends might see and cause the big loss of face thing for her. And when accused of such things, simply lie and denigh, again so loss of face will not occur. And thirdly, make sure the wife is looked after financially so that she doesn't think some other woman is getting her share of the loot.

The world is full of prostitutes in one form or another. Its just a matter of knowing the rules and working within the system to get the best out of it while we are still here and able to enjoy lifes pleasures. Becoming a beaten and subservient husband in my final years ain't for me. Too much living to do and too little time left. Just got to play by the rules and keep the peace is all.

When I was 20 the pussy was laid on in droves. When I was 30 it dried up somewhat. When I was 40 it had priced itself out of the market. Now I am approaching 60, the world is my oyster once again. And I ain't going to let that final opportunity get away. Being older and wiser has some advantages. Discretion is the key.

[zithromaxlinks]

Cheeky Thai girl... ( 1 2)

a pattaya bar-girl is filmed by a john; she's on her cell phone stringing along some poor farang (foreigner) sap who loves her and is juicing her with cash/etc from afar.

Interesting discussion follows among the salty farangs who hang around teakdoor.com re the relativistic morality of the whole situation.

separately, guest writer @ Makow,
My Disastrous Taiwan Marriage

common thread in these Western-male/ non-Western-female relationships is-- male seeks refuge from Western feminazified biatches, female seeks some redistribution of the wealth imbalance!

[Cucoulkrory]

another couple threads from teakdoor, relevant here,

Sign in Pattaya hotel. - maybe a hoax sign, maybe not, u decide!



also,

So there I was at Tesco and...... - another thai birds stringing along retarded farangs thread

This phenom of pretty sirens from developing countries spinning tangled webs as they seek to reel in one or more "rich" western sponsor/husbands, is quite a running theme! I saw it first hand too in Latin American tourism destinations... hang around a public internet cafe, and count the birds sitting there, dolled up for the webcam, running multiple chat sessions... sad but true: it's really the greatest hope of many of these women for a better life, and many are quite organized & methodical in their pursuits... the internet and cheap mobile phones have really exploded things - in the 80s, 90s & prior, there were "foreign bride" matchmaker services which were newsletter/postal-service based; my how far we've come!

Besides the "Living In Thailand Forum" subforum, "the lounge" subforum @ teakdoor (where the above Tesco... thread resides) is rich with wacky/tacky threads,
The TeakDoor Lounge

[hs6KnlcW]

Seen similar "signs" attributed to hotels in Thailand in the past - but for Indians, Africans, and Arabs. I think few (if any) are real - most larger businesses won't lose out on potential customers. The only large scale (permanent) business I've seen had a sign specifically forbidding "ladyboys" from entry. (The role of the "3rd sex" in SE Asia is odd and complex - suffice to say it something like Rue Paul on steroids or the dinner show at "SF Asia" in San Francisco - Google/Wiki probably has workplace safe information.)

The small street vendors [these set upon the sidewalk after 10pm and run overnight - usually a single owner working from a cart with 3-4 tables selling food/alcohol] occasionally will have these signs in the red light areas - e.g., Sukhumvit down near Soi 3 - but one could argue that this is adverse selection - the 3 am customer base in a red light district is a rather narrow segment of the general population and much more homogenous (i.e., uniform) than the normal tourist crowd.

[Cucoulkrory]

good article, apparently an original from a big thai dating site: thailovelines. I've only read a couple of the "other resources..." articles I included at the end, but they seem to be of similar high quality - although some are a bit "self-serving" towards their online matchmaking service, which ostensibly matches men with "mainstream" Thai women.

I didn't do any of the text bolding in the article, and oddly, they don't appear that way at the source where I did a straight C/P job... a WYSIWYG anomaly, or more likely hidden format coding at the source which the C/P picks up... I imagine their web people anticipate returning to the (hidden) bolded lines in the future, to link them up to further reading articles. PC


Thailand has a Giant sized prostitution industry that is not just for foreign men.

Unfairly or not, Thailand has quite a reputation for prostitution. Bangkok and Pattaya, in particular, are renowned for their decadent nightlife and a whole range of sexual activities and establishments that amount, in effect, to wholesale prostitution.


The prostitution industry in Thailand is huge particularly in these city centres. No one denies this and it is estimated that the number of Thai girls or Thai ladies engaged in the Thai prostitution industry can be measured in the hundreds of thousands. One report in 2003 estimated that Thai prostitution is 3% of the overall Thai economy. Another economic estimate of the value of the industry in 2007/2008 is over $5 billion. There are four hundred thousand prostitutes in the Bangkok metropolitan area alone and this level of prostitution is replicated all over Thailand. Thousands of foreign men come every week to Thailand to meet Thai prostitutes thus fueling the prostitution industry but what is not often publicised is that the prostitution industry in Thailand essentially caters for Thai men of all backgrounds on a massive scale.


Background to prostitution in Thailand

In 1960 prostitution in Thailand was actually made illegal as the Thai authorities came under pressure from the United Nations. However, this law was countered in 1966 by a law which allowed for the creation of entertainment establishments offering 'special services.' This law was instigated as part of a government initiative to generate additional income from the large numbers of US armed forces stationed in Thailand and Vietnam at that time.This law, in effect, implicitly tolerates prostitution in Thailand. So much so, that Thai bar girls, who everyone knows are prostitutes, are displayed through glass windows in bars and entertainment centres without any interference from the Thai authorities.


Aids and health in Thai prostitution centres

Many foreign men who visit Thailand to engage with Thai prostitutes often frequent beer bars, go-go bars or entertainment centres where dancers can be chosen and a bar fine paid to the establishment if the man wishes to leave with the Thai girl. These establishments are part of the giant prostitution industry. Many are, in fact owned by westerners but all insist rigorous monthly health checks for the Thai bar girls who are effectively working as prostitutes. The onset of Aids brought about a new policy from the Thai authorities where practical help, assistance and protection for the Thai bar girls became the main priority of government officials. The same is true for foreign NGOs, many of whom, have a neutral stance to the prostitution itself and work to prevent Aids/HIV while providing assistance to the Thai girls working in the Thai prostitution industry.

Thai prostitution is caused by widespread poverty in some parts of Thailand

Whole areas of Bangkok and Pattaya have given away to prostitution and large numbers of beautiful Thai bar girls in Thailand work within it. In fact, the western term, prostitute is not how Thai society or culture sees it. Many Thai bar girls from poorer backgrounds come to work within the prostitution industry in Thailand to assist families or from lack opportunity. This fact, combined with Thai social structure, where polygamy is still tolerated and where many Thai men think it a right to have a Thai girl as a mistress, promotes a different culture to that which exists in western or other foreign countries. Essentially, the prime reason for Thai prostitution is economics or poverty while Thai society and the history of Thai prostitution allows it to flourish.

Media Coverage of Thai prostitution is unfair

Media coverage of this is a little unfair. While the concept of prostitution in Thailand is different to what it is in occidental culture, this is, in fact, true of many parts of Asia. India, Philippines China and Taiwan, for instance, have more prostitutes per capita than Thailand yet Thailand is still branded as the prostitution capital of the world.

Foreign men and Thai bar girls - not a match made in heaven

It is not uncommon for foreign men to visit Thailand and fall in love with Thai bar girls. Many Thai bar girls, who are, in fact, prostitutes, do not conform to the stereotypical image of a prostitute that most westerners hold. They are often sincere, friendly and well intentioned individuals working in a highly developed industry which is somewhat socially accepted. They come from all over Thailand to work as prostitutes. The true extent and nature of Thailand's massive prostitution industry is something foreign men should be aware of. Many foreign men actually form relationships with Thai bar girls and it is also not uncommon for many of the Thai girls to have a foreign man as a sponsor, sending money to support her for instance or to pay for educational opportunities. Many less scrupulous girls have a number of such sponsors. The elderly and not so elderly foreign man falling for the manipulative bar girl has become the butt of many jokes and a classic stereotype. It is also, in many cases, the truth of the matter.

The truth itself is a bit more complex. As a rule, foreign men should be cautious of getting involved with any Thai bar girl. It could well be a lot easier on both parties. It is possible to enjoy this side of the Thai experience, if that is what you like, but it is a thing quite apart from setting out to find a genuine Thai partner, girlfriend or wife. Foreign men should remember, above all else, that in spite of the large prostitution industry the massive majority of Thai women and Thai girls are, in fact, traditionally conservative and observe high standards of moral behaviour. Because of the incessant media coverage of Thai prostitution, this can be difficult to accept.

Mainstream is better if you seek a relationship with a Thai girl

The chances of finding a successful relationship with a mainstream Thai girl are quite high even though it may take a little effort at the start. Many of the Thai bar girls working in Thai prostitution industry, in fact, are very sincere and honest but if they have been working at this for a quite a while, it is very difficult to expect them to be able to a adjust to a serious relationship with a foreign man in addition to all the other challenges that this presents quite apart from her background. However, as in Thai culture, everyone is free to make their own choices, one must be careful of generalisation.

Do not follow your heart with Thai bar girls.

We have established that Thai people have a somewhat different concept of prostitution. This may help avoid misunderstanding the nature of their relationship with the lovely young bar girls to be found in the nightlife centres. Thai people are not as contemptuous of the concept of prostitution as westerners are.



The background to this is a difference of religion and heritage. Many of the girls working in the industry would be deeply upset to discover the western understanding of prostitution. In fact, this gentler emphasis combined with the elegance and politeness of Thai women is what makes the proposition so alluring to the hordes of farang who flock to Thailand's shores.

Some signs of a change towards prostitution?

Recently a candidate for governor of Bangkok ran on a ticket of clamping down on some of the prostitution centres in the city. He was not successful while another candidate was none other than Chuwit Kamolvisit, the former massage parlour tycoon who, while he did not win, did a lot better. He was, in fact, dong quite well in the polls before, on the eve of the election, physically assaulting a Thai reporter on live TV. In 2003, a proposal was floating to legalise prostitution in Thailand as a way to counter corruption. Then former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra unsuccessfully tried to put a ban on members of the ruling Thai political party having mistresses or visiting questionable entertainment centres. The changing nature of Thai society particularly the emergence of an educated middle class has caused some in the country to question what has been going on, it should also be said. For now, though, the nature of Thai prostitution makes it sometimes difficult for a foreign man to remember where the boundaries lie especially when he is having such a good time.

Here, it is the foreign man who is also somewhat vulnerable as well as the beautiful Thai bar girl. The different types of Thai prostitution including the less defined area of 'taking care' of a Thai woman as a relationship partner makes it an even bigger minefield. It is good advice for any foreign man to read the many books on the subject that are available in order to fully understand the dynamics of such a relationship before finding oneself caught up in a whirlwind which may well lead to recrimination, despair and even something more traumatic
Buddhism may help foreign men to understand Thai culture

Again the key to understanding another Thai enigma is to look at Buddhism. The Thai people take pride, perhaps correctly in Thai moral freedom. Prostitution is more acceptable in Thailand as many Thai people believe more in the concept of moral freedom and are not quick to judge others. Many of the girls who come from all over rural Thailand are deeply committed to Buddhism but are forced, through circumstance, to accept this role in order to serve their families. Many Thai prostitutes do not drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs. They can be quite sincere and honest within the limits of their trade. That said, it has to be admitted, from anecdotal evidence, that there are some who are not so. There are many reports of Thai bar girls using drugs and alcohol while collecting wired money from multiple fiances, deceiving elderly farang into paying for property in Thailand which they own and a host of other scams.

There have even been reports of foreign men being brutalised, framed and murdered. They are a very small percentage but reason enough to be cautious.





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[Cucoulkrory]

Western Women on Khao San Road Speak Out About Thailand's Sex Tourists

Uploaded by ThaiLawForum on Feb 1, 2012
thailawforum: Interviews of Western women on Sukumvit Road and Khao San Road (the center of Thailand Backpacker culture) about Western men visiting Thailand for romance love and of course, sex. We questioned Western ("Farang") women about Thailand's reputation for luring hoards of Western male tourists every year. The Western women in Thailand that we interviewed (both expats and tourists) felt that Western men traveling to Thailand were mostly interested in sex and prostitution. Negative stereotypes of "Thailand sex tourism" included the sexual and financial exploitation of Thai women and the overall shallowness of these relationships and the mail order bride and dating website business.

Nevertheless other Western women had a more open minded view about Western men looking for love and romance in Thailand. Some Western women commented that they felt sympathy for Western men who may be being exploited financially by manipulative Thai women. Some Western women commented that Western women could learn from Thai women about how to treat men and asserting femininity rather than being overly aggressive. Why Thai Women marry Foreign Men

[Cucoulkrory]

few disparate links,

18 April 2012 Last updated at 17:30 GMT
Image of naked woman halts Thai parliament debate

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lastly, prolly most on-topic here, "Mee" is a 27yo Thai lady, worked in some dubious role at an entertainment center, marrying a 60yo Brit with adult kids.

http://vimeo.com/1314479


proper description there reads, (Documentary : 28 mins)
“Mee and My Dad” is a documentary that follows the film maker’s journey to Thailand, where his sixty year old dad is about to marry a twenty seven year old Thai woman called Mee.
The film has been selected for the 2008 Sheffield International Documentary Festival and has also won the director, Lorne Kramer, Channel 4’s prestigious Emerging Talent award for Documentary.

Director - Lorne Kramer
Producer - Helen Bentley
Camera - Becky BellHere's a discussion thread on it at a different forum, 184 replies, many "teach english in Thailand" expat types.
Thread: British son checks up on old dad's marriage to young Thai gold digger.

[botagozzz]

one of the guys at the local Internet cafe used to Skype with the family of his ex-wife, pleading for their help "getting his marriage back."

he - Cliff - was 55 to 60 years old, she was about 25.

the conversations went on for hours. wish i'd recorded them. for your entertainment benefit.

you could write a book about Cliff's Thai Marriage Experience. he married the daughter of a local Triad Madam - a retired prostitute who ran one of the larger Thai tribes (criminal organization / family).

he was supposed to 'donate' about $300 a month to the family Triad for the privilege of being married to their daughter. his ex-wife preferred to stay near the Triad with a new, wealthier boy-friend than to live in the US with Cliff.

Cliff was about 5'5" 250 pounds.