LCD TVs: 50Hz vs 100Hz (UK) - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**Vomazoono** · 12-25-2010, 09:37 PM

Hi guys,

my dad wants a 40" LCD TV but doesn't want to spend huge £££ on it.

Will be used solely for watching Sky HD TV.
No gaming whatsoever.
Maybe he'll buy a blu-ray player too.

Basically I am seeing a lot of great deals for Sony/Samsung TVs but I notice they are 50Hz.

I don't know much about it's full relevance, but is that sufficient?
Is 100Hz much better and worth nearly on average an extra £200?

Like I say - my dad isn't a gamer but just wants a decent tv that will play his tv channels and blu ray smoothly without ghosting/artifacts/jittering.

EDIT: Won't be watching sports/fast paced.

**huedaanydrax** · 12-25-2010, 11:10 PM

I personally wouldn't bother. My parents have a 40" 100hz Samsung A6 series screen and the wifey and me have a 40" 50hz Samsung B5 series panel. Most of the time when we're at my parents' place we tend to watch series / movies in 50hz mode and sports at 100hz and we definitely don't think it's worth it outside of gaming...

**ZonaPutaX** · 12-25-2010, 11:22 PM

In my opinion after watching 60/120 hz side by side, it only helped when the credits were rolling.

**Vomazoono** · 12-26-2010, 01:41 AM

Cheers guys,

gonna look for some good boxing day deals and treat my old man.

**MadMark** · 12-26-2010, 02:28 AM

Cheers guys,

gonna look for some good boxing day deals and treat my old man.

check out hotukdeals there are some tv's on there at the moment. I recall seeing a 40" fully HD sony Bravia the other day.

**Vomazoono** · 12-26-2010, 03:24 AM

Cheers mate.
Been looking out for some good offers on that site.
A lot of Sony Bravia's for good prices there.

Do you think it's worth paying that little bit extra for LED?

I can get the Samsung UE40C5800 40" LED TV for £550.
I've heard some positive things regarding this TV.

Generally the 40" LCD TVs on offer are around £400-£450.

£100 extra for LED seems good or am I being a bit naive?

Another thing to consider is warranty.

If I get the Samsung UE40C5800 40" LED TV from John Lewis - it costs £650 - but has a 5 year warranty.

I notice the extended warranties elsewhere eg comet/currys etc are quite extortionate in comparison. eg £179 for extra 2 years (ie 3 yrs in total).

**55TRATTERENRY** · 12-26-2010, 03:27 AM

LED just means LED backlighting not an OLED screen.

**Vomazoono** · 12-26-2010, 03:39 AM

LED just means LED backlighting not an OLED screen.

I realise that thanks

But the question I am asking - is LED (backlit) of a superior picture quality to justify paying potentially an extra £100-£150 over a similar sized LCD TV?

A lot of the 40" LED TVs seem to be in the £800 bracket, but the one I have mentioned earlier is on offer for £550.
Good deal or not... and worth going for?

Is there a big difference in picture quality/brightness/clarity etc.

**MpbY5dkR** · 12-26-2010, 05:13 AM

But the question I am asking - is LED (backlit) of a superior picture quality to justify paying potentially an extra £100-£150 over a similar sized LCD TV?.

worse in some cases, where the TV is geared to maximum thinness instead of even backlight distribution (I am looking at you, Samsung)

The Standard Sony Bravias EX503 or W5E, do very well in tests.

http://www.digitalversus.com/sony-br...4_8374_16.html

**ardsdelinq** · 12-26-2010, 05:43 AM

To my eyes it seems like LEDs look a little better than lcds. But, hardly at best.
If you can get that big of a tv for that cheap I would bounce on it.

**Vomazoono** · 12-26-2010, 08:02 AM

Looks like I can get the Sony KDL-40EX403 (40" LCD, 1080p, Freeview, 50Hz, 24p) for £399 plus free 5 year warranty from the Sony Store.

Going to pop into the Store tomorrow to sort it out.

**huedaanydrax** · 12-26-2010, 08:46 AM

Looks like I can get the Sony KDL-40EX403 (40" LCD, 1080p, Freeview, 50Hz, 24p) for £399 plus free 5 year warranty from the Sony Store.

Going to pop into the Store tomorrow to sort it out.

That sounds like a sweet deal [thumbup]

**Vomazoono** · 12-27-2010, 01:09 AM

Well got the TV today.
Will setup tomorrow.

In the end - TV, TV Stand, 5 year warranty and free HDMI cable - all for £499.

Not bad, I think.

**uneniaPhenits** · 12-27-2010, 01:43 AM

A bit late now, but I've owned both types of TV and the biggest issue was finding one that plays blu-rays without any juddering. I can't say I noticed any difference between 50hz and 100hz personally.

**Vomazoono** · 12-27-2010, 05:38 AM

A bit late now, but I've owned both types of TV and the biggest issue was finding one that plays blu-rays without any juddering. I can't say I noticed any difference between 50hz and 100hz personally.

I think the set that I have purchased has 24p capabilities.
So hopefully blu-ray playback will be smooth and judder free.

I have that setting on my current Samsung and Blu-rays via PS£ appear to be OK.

The more I have been looking into the original 50Hz vs 100Hz issue - my conclusion is that if you watch a lot of fast paced movies/sports or game a lot, especially first person shooters - then 100Hz may be worth the extra.
But if you are a casual user/watcher/gamer - then 50Hz is absolutely fine.

**lE3l6Lgn** · 12-27-2010, 06:17 AM

I personally wouldn't bother. My parents have a 40" 100hz Samsung A6 series screen and the wifey and me have a 40" 50hz Samsung B5 series panel. Most of the time when we're at my parents' place we tend to watch series / movies in 50hz mode and sports at 100hz and we definitely don't think it's worth it outside of gaming...

And really, with gaming you're going to want to turn on "Game Mode" which turns off post processing to reduce input lag. I have a 240Hz LED samsung, and while I like smoothing at the lowest setting for movies, anything higher than that creates an artificially smooth "Soap Opera" effect.

**ivandiadser** · 12-27-2010, 07:15 AM

I hate to hijack, but what do you guys consider to be the most reliable brand these days, looking to get a new 40-50inch tv and not planning on replacing for as many years as possible.

**huedaanydrax** · 12-27-2010, 07:59 AM

And really, with gaming you're going to want to turn on "Game Mode" which turns off post processing to reduce input lag. I have a 240Hz LED samsung, and while I like smoothing at the lowest setting for movies, anything higher than that creates an artificially smooth "Soap Opera" effect.

That is exactly why we turn the 100hz mode off, it is annoying as hell... [no]

**Rugda** · 12-27-2010, 08:02 AM

That is exactly why we turn the 100hz mode off, it is annoying as hell... [no]

On the new or high-end Samsungs, you can adjust the SoE to a very minimal level to get just the right balance of smoothness. It has a slider to adjust the smoothness from 1-10.

If my TV didn't have that slider, I'd have the 240Hz effect off as well...

**huedaanydrax** · 12-27-2010, 08:07 AM

On the new or high-end Samsungs, you can adjust the SoE to a very minimal level to get just the right balance of smoothness. It has a slider to adjust the smoothness from 1-10.

If my TV didn't have that slider, I'd have the 240Hz effect off as well...

Ah well sadly the screen that my parents have is an A series Samsung, so it's rather old now and I'm pretty sure it didn't have that

12-25-2010, 09:37 PM	#1
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	LCD TVs: 50Hz vs 100Hz (UK) Hi guys, my dad wants a 40" LCD TV but doesn't want to spend huge £££ on it. Will be used solely for watching Sky HD TV. No gaming whatsoever. Maybe he'll buy a blu-ray player too. Basically I am seeing a lot of great deals for Sony/Samsung TVs but I notice they are 50Hz. I don't know much about it's full relevance, but is that sufficient? Is 100Hz much better and worth nearly on average an extra £200? Like I say - my dad isn't a gamer but just wants a decent tv that will play his tv channels and blu ray smoothly without ghosting/artifacts/jittering. EDIT: Won't be watching sports/fast paced. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-25-2010, 11:10 PM	#2
huedaanydrax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	I personally wouldn't bother. My parents have a 40" 100hz Samsung A6 series screen and the wifey and me have a 40" 50hz Samsung B5 series panel. Most of the time when we're at my parents' place we tend to watch series / movies in 50hz mode and sports at 100hz and we definitely don't think it's worth it outside of gaming... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-25-2010, 11:22 PM	#3
ZonaPutaX Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	In my opinion after watching 60/120 hz side by side, it only helped when the credits were rolling. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 01:41 AM	#4
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Cheers guys, gonna look for some good boxing day deals and treat my old man. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 02:28 AM	#5
MadMark Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Cheers guys, gonna look for some good boxing day deals and treat my old man. check out hotukdeals there are some tv's on there at the moment. I recall seeing a 40" fully HD sony Bravia the other day. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 03:24 AM	#6
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Cheers mate. Been looking out for some good offers on that site. A lot of Sony Bravia's for good prices there. Do you think it's worth paying that little bit extra for LED? I can get the Samsung UE40C5800 40" LED TV for £550. I've heard some positive things regarding this TV. Generally the 40" LCD TVs on offer are around £400-£450. £100 extra for LED seems good or am I being a bit naive? Another thing to consider is warranty. If I get the Samsung UE40C5800 40" LED TV from John Lewis - it costs £650 - but has a 5 year warranty. I notice the extended warranties elsewhere eg comet/currys etc are quite extortionate in comparison. eg £179 for extra 2 years (ie 3 yrs in total). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 03:27 AM	#7
55TRATTERENRY Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	LED just means LED backlighting not an OLED screen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 03:39 AM	#8
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	LED just means LED backlighting not an OLED screen. I realise that thanks But the question I am asking - is LED (backlit) of a superior picture quality to justify paying potentially an extra £100-£150 over a similar sized LCD TV? A lot of the 40" LED TVs seem to be in the £800 bracket, but the one I have mentioned earlier is on offer for £550. Good deal or not... and worth going for? Is there a big difference in picture quality/brightness/clarity etc. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 05:13 AM	#9
MpbY5dkR Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 403 Senior Member	But the question I am asking - is LED (backlit) of a superior picture quality to justify paying potentially an extra £100-£150 over a similar sized LCD TV?. worse in some cases, where the TV is geared to maximum thinness instead of even backlight distribution (I am looking at you, Samsung) The Standard Sony Bravias EX503 or W5E, do very well in tests. http://www.digitalversus.com/sony-br...4_8374_16.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 05:43 AM	#10
ardsdelinq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	To my eyes it seems like LEDs look a little better than lcds. But, hardly at best. If you can get that big of a tv for that cheap I would bounce on it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 08:02 AM	#11
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Looks like I can get the Sony KDL-40EX403 (40" LCD, 1080p, Freeview, 50Hz, 24p) for £399 plus free 5 year warranty from the Sony Store. Going to pop into the Store tomorrow to sort it out. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-26-2010, 08:46 AM	#12
huedaanydrax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	Looks like I can get the Sony KDL-40EX403 (40" LCD, 1080p, Freeview, 50Hz, 24p) for £399 plus free 5 year warranty from the Sony Store. Going to pop into the Store tomorrow to sort it out. That sounds like a sweet deal [thumbup] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 01:09 AM	#13
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Well got the TV today. Will setup tomorrow. In the end - TV, TV Stand, 5 year warranty and free HDMI cable - all for £499. Not bad, I think. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 01:43 AM	#14
uneniaPhenits Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 684 Senior Member	A bit late now, but I've owned both types of TV and the biggest issue was finding one that plays blu-rays without any juddering. I can't say I noticed any difference between 50hz and 100hz personally. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 05:38 AM	#15
Vomazoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	A bit late now, but I've owned both types of TV and the biggest issue was finding one that plays blu-rays without any juddering. I can't say I noticed any difference between 50hz and 100hz personally. I think the set that I have purchased has 24p capabilities. So hopefully blu-ray playback will be smooth and judder free. I have that setting on my current Samsung and Blu-rays via PS£ appear to be OK. The more I have been looking into the original 50Hz vs 100Hz issue - my conclusion is that if you watch a lot of fast paced movies/sports or game a lot, especially first person shooters - then 100Hz may be worth the extra. But if you are a casual user/watcher/gamer - then 50Hz is absolutely fine. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 06:17 AM	#16
lE3l6Lgn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	I personally wouldn't bother. My parents have a 40" 100hz Samsung A6 series screen and the wifey and me have a 40" 50hz Samsung B5 series panel. Most of the time when we're at my parents' place we tend to watch series / movies in 50hz mode and sports at 100hz and we definitely don't think it's worth it outside of gaming... And really, with gaming you're going to want to turn on "Game Mode" which turns off post processing to reduce input lag. I have a 240Hz LED samsung, and while I like smoothing at the lowest setting for movies, anything higher than that creates an artificially smooth "Soap Opera" effect. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 07:15 AM	#17
ivandiadser Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	I hate to hijack, but what do you guys consider to be the most reliable brand these days, looking to get a new 40-50inch tv and not planning on replacing for as many years as possible. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 07:59 AM	#18
huedaanydrax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	And really, with gaming you're going to want to turn on "Game Mode" which turns off post processing to reduce input lag. I have a 240Hz LED samsung, and while I like smoothing at the lowest setting for movies, anything higher than that creates an artificially smooth "Soap Opera" effect. That is exactly why we turn the 100hz mode off, it is annoying as hell... [no] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 08:02 AM	#19
Rugda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 348 Senior Member	That is exactly why we turn the 100hz mode off, it is annoying as hell... [no] On the new or high-end Samsungs, you can adjust the SoE to a very minimal level to get just the right balance of smoothness. It has a slider to adjust the smoothness from 1-10. If my TV didn't have that slider, I'd have the 240Hz effect off as well... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-27-2010, 08:07 AM	#20
huedaanydrax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 394 Senior Member	On the new or high-end Samsungs, you can adjust the SoE to a very minimal level to get just the right balance of smoothness. It has a slider to adjust the smoothness from 1-10. If my TV didn't have that slider, I'd have the 240Hz effect off as well... Ah well sadly the screen that my parents have is an A series Samsung, so it's rather old now and I'm pretty sure it didn't have that Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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