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Old 07-12-2012, 11:11 PM   #1
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Default Useless tasawwuf/bayt/connection with Shaikh!


tasawwuf is a practical science and you dont get anything without practicing what ur shaikh tells you. the most fundamental part of it is informing the shaikh of your faults not just good things and then work on the remedy.

People get into contact with some shaikh for different reasons. some want barakat, some want someone to talk to. Some just want to do it for fame. Everyone has different reasons. But the person who will benefit is the one whos intention is to purify himself. He informs the shaikh of his faults and then do what the shaikh tells him. This person will benefit the most.

Alhamdulillah i spent the last 10 days with shaikh ahlezikr. Learnt alot. He was telling me about one mureed. This person would send millions of emails. Seemed as if the person just wanted someone to talk to. The prescriptions shaikh gave, the person never followed, never did anything other than complain. So shaikh realized what the problem is and told that person to do something. The person took it as a big insult and left the shaikh never to talk to him again.

Shaikh said this kind of person will never benefit from anyone and always be in problems.

Hope this is beneficial for someone.


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Old 07-12-2012, 11:16 PM   #2
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Well I think it depends on many things. Some people may not be compatible with procedures of one sheikh or the other. We can never judge a person. Let Allah SWT guide all the Muslims. Ameen
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:44 PM   #3
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The reason is takabbur/pride. A person thinks im such a big person why should i do anything or why shud i listen to shaikh advice. How can a person kknow he is compatible wth shiahs procedures or not unless he sts and does something for atleast a chilla?
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Old 07-12-2012, 11:50 PM   #4
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I do not know about the person so I dont know the true state of the person but there is possibility like for me, tough silsila like naqshabandi or chisti things doesnt work. Khair Alhamdulillah I am guided by the sheikh I am blessed with. As long as one achieves the objective of getting close to Allah SWT, then Alhamdulillah. And definitely Allah SWT knows each state of a person and He SWT is the all knowing.
As I do not know about the true condition of the persons involved, I dont want to be too judgemental. So iA I will leave here.
Let Allah SWT help all the muslims. Ameen
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:12 AM   #5
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what did the sheikh tell him to do?
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:19 AM   #6
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I dont know. Maybe some azkar
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:37 AM   #7
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I dont know. Maybe some azkar
I have heard some people saying that one should not discuss their personal problems with their shaykh. But often times, it so happens that a mureed, overwhelmed by such problems, loses interest/motivation to do his maamoolaat. As a result, he/she falls ill spiritually.
What should one do in such a case? When the Shaykh doesnt reply to your emails? And people dont give you any suggestions that could be acted upon practically?

JazakumULLAH Khair,
Wassalam ma'al-ikram
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:20 AM   #8
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I have heard some people saying that one should not discuss their personal problems with their shaykh. But often times, it so happens that a mureed, overwhelmed by such problems, loses interest/motivation to do his maamoolaat. As a result, he/she falls ill spiritually.
What should one do in such a case? When the Shaykh doesnt reply to your emails? And people dont give you any suggestions that could be acted upon practically?

JazakumULLAH Khair,
Wassalam ma'al-ikram

Sister again the solution is same for lost communications with shaykh as my shaykh said once ,stick to mamulat and istagfar particularly in such a case...
WallAllahu A'alam ...
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:27 AM   #9
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I have heard some people saying that one should not discuss their personal problems with their shaykh. But often times, it so happens that a mureed, overwhelmed by such problems, loses interest/motivation to do his maamoolaat. As a result, he/she falls ill spiritually.
What should one do in such a case? When the Shaykh doesnt reply to your emails? And people dont give you any suggestions that could be acted upon practically?

JazakumULLAH Khair,
Wassalam ma'al-ikram


ofcourse maulana taliban sahab would be a better person to answer.. i was just fortunate once to be in the company of my shaikh sahab db.. reading out mails of mureedin to him and answering back on his behalf.. ( he is very old and has difficulty reading)..

those mails of mureedin who had somehow left mamoolat and were on a spiritual low..some falling back to sins.. hazrat would ask them to do salatul tauba.. plenty of istighfar.. and restart their mamoolat.. asking them to continue mailing.. giving them hikayat according to thier halaat..

well if the shaikh is far away and a majaaz of the shaikh lives nearby.. then the majaaz could be motivational.. ofcourse with due permission from the shaikh.. and even if that is not possible.. then the books written by the shaikh.. or mashaikh of the silsila could be helpful..

all such high's and low's are common with mureedin be it beginners or advanced.. just like the the rhythm of an ECG.. when there is life.. there is a pattern.. be it the spiking feel good factor of basat or the depressing low of qabd..
the shaikh acts like the pacemaker at times.. controlling the rhythm with either.. azkar..ashghal..tawajjuh.. hikayat or most important dua..

wa assalam..
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:05 AM   #10
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I have heard some people saying that one should not discuss their personal problems with their shaykh. But often times, it so happens that a mureed, overwhelmed by such problems, loses interest/motivation to do his maamoolaat. As a result, he/she falls ill spiritually.
What should one do in such a case? When the Shaykh doesnt reply to your emails? And people dont give you any suggestions that could be acted upon practically?

JazakumULLAH Khair,
Wassalam ma'al-ikram
Bismihi Ta'ala

As-Salaamu 'alaykum waRahmatullah Sister Seekeress@0

With due respect, but my humble opinion is that one should seek to establish an Islaahi Ta-alluk with a Shaykh who is easily accessible, and who gives time to respond to the correspondence from mureedeen. This is very important.

May Allah Ta'ala grant the best.

Was Salaamu 'alaykum
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:01 AM   #11
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Also one tip inshaa Allah.

Try and sit in the gatherings of your shaykh (online or in the actual place of course with pardah for sisters). If you can't do that then try and find some veteran mureeds (those who have been successfully struggling and have much more motivation) and spend time with them. They have inherited something from your shaykh so they can also be cause for motivation inshaa Allah. I find that when my shaykh is around and I am with the other sisters I am doing better than when I am alone al hamdu lillah.

Importantly, if you fall, it might be heartbreaking but slowly get back up. Don't be shy to tell your shaykh that you are not doing what he is telling you to do, but tell him also that you are very guilty. Sometimes he will just tell you to go on and do the same prescription, you will try and sadly you fall again but you have to keep on trying until your shaykh doesn't have to pick you up (with his scoldings or re-prescription). Imagine you are a baby learning to walk, then your mother holds your hand and encourages you to walk.

The brother mentioned in the original post is like a baby who does not accept that his mother tug him a bit to get him straight.

Allah is the real doer and we must strive in His way, He might pick us up during life or on our deathbed, but we need to be striving. The result is not in our hands.

I find this thread a little emotional subhanAllah. May Allah give us every means to become closer to Him. Ameen.
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Old 07-13-2012, 06:25 AM   #12
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I have heard some people saying that one should not discuss their personal problems with their shaykh. But often times, it so happens that a mureed, overwhelmed by such problems, loses interest/motivation to do his maamoolaat. As a result, he/she falls ill spiritually.
What should one do in such a case? When the Shaykh doesnt reply to your emails? And people dont give you any suggestions that could be acted upon practically?

JazakumULLAH Khair,
Wassalam ma'al-ikram
A) There are two aspects of this - Mureed n shaikh.

Some mureeds dont feel comfortable sharing their personal problems with shaikh. This might be due to:

1) Shyness
2) lack of openness with shaikh
3) pride
4) nature is like that he doesnt want to share his problems with anyone but Allah.

1-3 need to be removed. 4 is okay. In my opinion shaikh is there to do your islah not solve your personal problems.

Shaikh - some shaikhs are such tht u cant share personal problems with them. They start interfering too much in your matters. Its best to avoid this kind of a shaikh.

My view is that women should not be very open with the shaikh and they should not share their problems with shaikh directly except problems related to islah. Letters/emails shud be anonymous. Even the name can be hidden. Everyone is a human. And in these times of fitnahs its better to be safe than sorry.

B) what should be done in this case.

First of all you we should know that the maqsad of all tareeqahs of tasawwuf is to make the following of shariah easy for us. To make the nafs so low that following shariat becomes easy for us. In other words, it becomes our nature. If this is not attained then all tasawwuf is useless. No matter which tareeq we are bayt in, even if the shaikh doesnt give it to us, we should include in our mamolaat the masnoon amals which themselves are maqsad:

1) all masnoon duas
2) dua to Allah
3) all the sunnah and nafl prayers like zuha, awwabeen, ishraq, 4 rakah before maghrib
4) tahajjud
5) all masnoon tasbeehat like subhanallah wa bihamdihi subhanAllahil azeem 100 times.
6) monday, thursday fast
7) fast 3 days a month 13-14-15th of islamic calendar of every month.
8) trying to follow all sunnahs like miswak.
9) abundant istighfar

What should be done - abundant istighfar and dua to Allah.

When the shaikh doesnt reply to your emails:

Don't send ur shaikh daily emails and expect a return. Set some time like ull send a mail in 15 days. when shaikh prescribes something, dont do it for one day and send shaikh a mail next day telling him i didnt get any benefit. Atleast do it for a week - 2 weeks then inform the shaikh.

If people dont give u suggestions:

You can come to sunniforum to ask for suggestions.

hope this helps. Ill write more as it comes.

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:34 AM   #13
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Taliban1 and others:

Should youth who are struggling with the basics (faraaidh) be encouraged to do bayah with a shaykh? Are shuyookh likely to accept them as mureeds?
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:11 AM   #14
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Taliban1 and others:

Should youth who are struggling with the basics (faraaidh) be encouraged to do bayah with a shaykh? Are shuyookh likely to accept them as mureeds?
they should be encouraged to regularly attend the majalis of a genuine shaykh. gradually they on their own might become inclined to do bay'at. also it should be noted that it is possible to benefit from a true shaykh even without becoming bay'at though the benefit is more after bay'at. IMHO such youth as you mention should not be pushed into bay'at by others.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:32 AM   #15
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السلام عليكم,

He informs the shaikh of his faults and then do what the shaikh tells him. What if his fault is that he can't do what the shaikh tells him? For example, he tells the shaikh he is not praying 5 times salaah so the shaikh tells him pray 5 times salaah. If he could do it, he wouldn't have to ask the shaikh?
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:04 AM   #16
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السلام عليكم,

What if his fault is that he can't do what the shaikh tells him? For example, he tells the shaikh he is not praying 5 times salaah so the shaikh tells him pray 5 times salaah. If he could do it, he wouldn't have to ask the shaikh?
wa alikum us salaam

the true shuyookh are such that they will reply to you in such a manner that it will truly shake you to action if you are genuine in your desire to reform. recently i wrote to my shaykh saying that i spend too much time on the computer and mobile phone doing useless things (though outwardly not sinful) he adviced me to use the computer and other modern equipment only to the extent of necessity (which someone would say is something we already know) and added "if we cannot save ourself from such distractions now, how are we going to save ourself when dajjall arrives with all his attractions" this statement of my shaykh affected me very much.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:01 PM   #17
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السلام عليكم,



What if his fault is that he can't do what the shaikh tells him? For example, he tells the shaikh he is not praying 5 times salaah so the shaikh tells him pray 5 times salaah. If he could do it, he wouldn't have to ask the shaikh?
Bismihi Ta’ala

A true Shaykh is guided and inspired by Allah Ta’ala in giving the most appropriate nasihah and prescription to his Mureedeen. He does not "paint everyone with the same brush" - so to say - and does not necessary give the same “treatment” to two mureeds who have the same spiritual ailment.

This is what I had observed with my late Shaykh : Sometimes the spiritual weakness is the same, but the prescription given is different. But both mureeds find shifa and benefit. Alhamdulillah.

The duty of the mureed is to inform the Shaykh of weakness, which requires the mureed to humble himself. But the consequences are always beneficial. The Shaykh prescribes something as a remedy – which can be ‘sweet’, ‘bitter or ‘bitter-sweet’ – like how we find different kinds of medication, with different tastes – but which offer cure for the physical ailments of the body.

Just as we willingly take even the bitter medication for the sure of a physical ailment, so then we should also be willing to take bitter medication which may be prescribed for the spiritual ailments of the heart. But it is not always "bitter" - sometimes it is such a simple and easy prescription that it can be described as "sweet", and there is cure and benefit. Alhamdulillah.

So the mureed informs the Shaykh, and together with some nasihah or spiritual remedy, the Shaykh makes dua and tawajjuh, and if the mureed follows through with the prescription or nasihah, and the benefit becomes manifest, Insha-Allah. There will be progress in Islaah.

May Allah Ta’ala grant me and all of us complete Islaah of nafs and tazkiya of our hearts.
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:12 PM   #18
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Taliban1 and others:

Should youth who are struggling with the basics (faraaidh) be encouraged to do bayah with a shaykh? Are shuyookh likely to accept them as mureeds?
Bismihi Ta'ala

Insha-Allah, Letter One of the Islaahi Correspondence (link is given hereunder) will give you a better and clear understanding of the purpose of bay`ah and the need to establish an Islaahi Ta'alluk.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=#post744800
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Old 07-13-2012, 02:49 PM   #19
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السلام عليكم,



What if his fault is that he can't do what the shaikh tells him? For example, he tells the shaikh he is not praying 5 times salaah so the shaikh tells him pray 5 times salaah. If he could do it, he wouldn't have to ask the shaikh?


He can inform the shaikh that my fault is that I can't do what you tell me to do. InshaAllah in time he will be able to do things. The basic thing is to keep trying.

For example a person goes to a doctor and gets a prescription for headache. He comes after a week and says doctor sahib, I can't take the medicine. Doctor will ask him why? he'll say i'm too lazy, i just can't. what will the doctor do?

Will a person like this ever benefit from a doctor?

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Old 07-13-2012, 02:55 PM   #20
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Taliban1 and others:

Should youth who are struggling with the basics (faraaidh) be encouraged to do bayah with a shaykh? Are shuyookh likely to accept them as mureeds?
Bay't is not necessary but only a tool to help you in your struggle to follow Shariat. Young struggling people should be encouraged to spend time in pious company and if possible, they should be encouraged to regularly visit bayans of a proper Shaikh. If they feel like doing bayt they can do it later. When they start going into shaikhs company inshaAllah they will find it easy to practice the basics.

The purpose of tasawwuf is to make it easy for a person to follow Shariat. Nothing else. If a person spends all his life with a shaikh, gets khilafat, becomes a big shaikh but doesnt follow shariat himself then his tasawwuf is useless.

Shuyookhs are different. Some will accept them as mureeds, some wont. Being mureed is not important. Doing your islah is from the faraaidh.
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