[LookSe]

One person called me who did ECE (Electronic & Communication Engg). Though from different colleges, we were in same batch. He failed and it took 2 more years to complete engg. Later he tried for Canada and was not successful. He wasted two yrs in that. Now after 4 yrs he realized that he should do something here.

He called me and asked to look for a job with people whom i know. I said ok, called my friend and he was willing to give RF Engineer job. i.e he has to roam a bit for the job. When i said to this person, he said," No bhai, I can;t do job on field. I want a job where I can do office work". His reply irritated me alot. You waster four yrs after engineering and perhaps you forgot even the subject names and you are demanding jobs. I said brother its absolutely ridiculous thought u have. And suggested him to take some courses and try for job, as I can't help him.

Now do u know what he will tell to others, "I asked him for help and he didn't help me".

It's completely shocking to see people who want to sit idle and reach the greatest heights

[jokilewqs]

One person called me who did ECE (Electronic & Communication Engg). Though from different colleges, we were in same batch. He failed and it took 2 more years to complete engg. Later he tried for Canada and was not successful. He wasted two yrs in that. Now after 4 yrs he realized that he should do something here.

He called me and asked to look for a job with people whom i know. I said ok, called my friend and he was willing to give RF Engineer job. i.e he has to roam a bit for the job. When i said to this person, he said," No bhai, I can;t do job on field. I want a job where I can do office work". His reply irritated me alot. You waster four yrs after engineering and perhaps you forgot even the subject names and you are demanding jobs. I said brother its absolutely ridiculous thought u have. And suggested him to take some courses and try for job, as I can't help him.

Now do u know what he will tell to others, "I asked him for help and he didn't help me".

It's completely shocking to see people who want to sit idle and reach the greatest heights

Such people are known as "lukkhe"(lame) in local parlance.
From IbnMas'ud that the Prophet said, "I do hate to see a man doing nothing for this world or the Hereafter." [Al Mu`jam Al-Kabeer 9/102]

[popillio]

...OUCH

[AndrewBoss]

Don't worry bro, you see plenty of them all the time, you try to help them but at the end of it they cause you harm and give you a bad name. Bro abu tamim call's them "lukkhe"(lame) i call them "Bukkah" (always hungry). And the unfortunate thing is the next time some one deserving of help comes to you you think twice about it.

[movlabz]

One person called me who did ECE (Electronic & Communication Engg). Though from different colleges, we were in same batch. He failed and it took 2 more years to complete engg. Later he tried for Canada and was not successful. He wasted two yrs in that. Now after 4 yrs he realized that he should do something here.

He called me and asked to look for a job with people whom i know. I said ok, called my friend and he was willing to give RF Engineer job. i.e he has to roam a bit for the job. When i said to this person, he said," No bhai, I can;t do job on field. I want a job where I can do office work". His reply irritated me alot. You waster four yrs after engineering and perhaps you forgot even the subject names and you are demanding jobs. I said brother its absolutely ridiculous thought u have. And suggested him to take some courses and try for job, as I can't help him.

Now do u know what he will tell to others, "I asked him for help and he didn't help me".

It's completely shocking to see people who want to sit idle and reach the greatest heights

If Sayyidina Umar (RA) was around he would have whipped these people!

[adoreorerie]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ajeeb! Everybody is speaking ill of the guy. Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser.

Given the scenario, I don't think he wasted four years of his life. He spent first two years in getting himself a degree by completing his engineeing. So, these two years he spent constructively. For the rest two years, I don't think he wasted them either. It's just that he got failed in his efforts to reach Canada.

Would you have considered him to have wasted time if he had managed to get himself Canadian visa after two years of his struggle? No, I guess!

And wrt the job offer he turned down, you need to realize, bhai AQ, that the brother who approached you for help is an Engineer and not a beggar, that you would expect him accept whatever you throw in his bowl. He may have his prefrences set. Let him choose whatever he deems fit for him.

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

[gundos]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ajeeb! Everybody is speaking ill of the guy. Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser.

Given the scenario, I don't think he wasted four years of his life. He spent first two years in getting himself a degree by completing his engineeing. So, these two years he spent constructively. For the rest two years, I don't think he wasted them either. It's just that he got failed in his efforts to reach Canada.

Would you have considered him to have wasted time if he had managed to get himself Canadian visa after two years of his struggle? No, I guess!

And wrt the job offer he turned down, you need to realize, bhai AQ, that the brother who approached you for help is an Engineer and not a beggar, that you would expect him accept whatever you throw in his bowl. He may have his prefrences set. Let him choose whatever he deems fit for him.

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

Excellent post... this is the reason why I like SF... When one brother goes wrong, the other concerned brother corrects him....

[pymnConyelell]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ajeeb! Everybody is speaking ill of the guy. Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser.

Given the scenario, I don't think he wasted four years of his life. He spent first two years in getting himself a degree by completing his engineeing. So, these two years he spent constructively. For the rest two years, I don't think he wasted them either. It's just that he got failed in his efforts to reach Canada.

Would you have considered him to have wasted time if he had managed to get himself Canadian visa after two years of his struggle? No, I guess!

And wrt the job offer he turned down, you need to realize, bhai AQ, that the brother who approached you for help is an Engineer and not a beggar, that you would expect him accept whatever you throw in his bowl. He may have his prefrences set. Let him choose whatever he deems fit for him.

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

[movlabz]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ajeeb! Everybody is speaking ill of the guy. Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser.

Given the scenario, I don't think he wasted four years of his life. He spent first two years in getting himself a degree by completing his engineeing. So, these two years he spent constructively. For the rest two years, I don't think he wasted them either. It's just that he got failed in his efforts to reach Canada.

Would you have considered him to have wasted time if he had managed to get himself Canadian visa after two years of his struggle? No, I guess!

And wrt the job offer he turned down, you need to realize, bhai AQ, that the brother who approached you for help is an Engineer and not a beggar, that you would expect him accept whatever you throw in his bowl. He may have his prefrences set. Let him choose whatever he deems fit for him.

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

Yes, I expect him to accept whatever is thrown his way to earn a Halal living because that is the Sunnah.

Is there a problem with that? Just because he is an Engineer, so what? These status symbols have nothing to do in Islam. I have seen too many of these brothers moan and complain but don't get off their backside to earn a Halal living!

[LookSe]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ajeeb! Everybody is speaking ill of the guy. Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser.

Given the scenario, I don't think he wasted four years of his life. He spent first two years in getting himself a degree by completing his engineeing. So, these two years he spent constructively. For the rest two years, I don't think he wasted them either. It's just that he got failed in his efforts to reach Canada.

Would you have considered him to have wasted time if he had managed to get himself Canadian visa after two years of his struggle? No, I guess!

And wrt the job offer he turned down, you need to realize, bhai AQ, that the brother who approached you for help is an Engineer and not a beggar, that you would expect him accept whatever you throw in his bowl. He may have his prefrences set. Let him choose whatever he deems fit for him.

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

What ?

You mean to say 2 years were constructive to clear 2 subjects . Engineering is expected to be completed in 4 years. If some one takes 6 years, then definitely no one would say he did a constructive work.

And regarding Canada, he was idle for 2 years. There are many brothers who do their job's education etc.. .with the process going on in side.

And if he goes and tell the same reason as you have given to an interviewer. He will throw the resume on his face and say get lost from here.

After 4 years of engineering, I doubt if anyone can remember any subjects without being connected to it. At this point of time, if you sit saying I want so and so job, then i dont think even the father in law will give job in his company.

What we offered is an engineering job to him. Not a bowl to go and beg.

for your positive thinking but we should also think practical

And regarding going and telling back, it has happened to me before through him. And there is no need for me to tell behind him, I have told all this to him only on phone. My point was just to say this

It's completely shocking to see people who want to sit idle and reach the greatest heights

[LookSe]

Seems like you all have seen success through out your life and have no idea what it feels like to be a loser. No one will ever go higher without failure... unless he is doing the things illegally.

[Serereids]

And don't assume that he would go your way to speak behind your back just like you have done with him.

Brilliant! I thought this should be written in gold and etched in everyone's mind...

[LookSe]

Brilliant! I thought this should be written in gold and etched in everyone's mind...

When things happen repeatedly, the its our duty to point them out, so that it will become a lesson to self and others

[Serereids]

No bhai, I can;t do job on field. I want a job where I can do office work".

For a start, i have not much idea of what "field" really means in this context, so pardon me.

But if it means doing all your daily salat alone, then yes such a job shouldn't be anyone's first priority. I understand it isn't very easy to find a job where you get to offer all your salat in the masjid, but that should be everyone's aim, isn't this what everyone should strive for and doesn't this also come under the sunnah of halal earning?

May be that could be the brother's niyyah, may be not, aren't we suppose to assume the best of each brother, and aren't we ordered to accept everyone's excuse? May be he has an Islamic reason for rejecting, but doesn't want to hurt you directly.

Anyway, hope this sounds familiar...

The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “When someone offers an excuse to his fellow Muslim and the latter does not accept it, his sin is like the crime of imposing taxes.”
[Ibn Majah]

Plus the brother has not sinned in any way....

Whatever the brother's problem is, coming online and ranting about it doesn't seem too sunnah-compliant either...

[adoreorerie]

Yes, I expect him to accept whatever is thrown his way to earn a Halal living because that is the Sunnah.

Is there a problem with that? Just because he is an Engineer, so what? These status symbols have nothing to do in Islam. I have seen too many of these brothers moan and complain but don't get off their backside to earn a Halal living!

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Sorry to say uncle, but you have literally brought the brother down to the level of begger with your post.

But khayr, my question to you is who has told you that he has compromised with halal
living? He has merely refused the job offer which he thinks doesn't fit him for whatever reason. It's not your job or anyone elses' job to make him accept whatever you wish. I am sure he's mature enough to weigh things on his own and decide what is good for him.

[pymnConyelell]

Isn't all this backbiting?

Mods please close this thread.

[LookSe]

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Sorry to say uncle, but you have literally brought the brother down to the level of begger with your post.

But khayr, my question to you is who has told you that he has compromised with halal
living? He has merely refused the job offer which he thinks doesn't fit him for whatever reason. It's not your job or anyone elses' job to make him accept whatever you wish. I am sure he's mature enough to weigh things on his own and decide what is good for him.

1. After four years of idleness without any experience. Do you think he can get job in halal way ? He will definitely has to put a fake certificate and he even discussed it with me.

2. Well, the problem is no one will give him job for sitting idle for 4 yrs with 0 experience. I provided him job directly through a friend who was ready to forgo considering his past. I wonder if any other company would do it

[pymnConyelell]

It is reported that, The Prophet said:
"Do not show joy at the misfortune of your brother,
lest Allah have mercy on him and afflict you with misfortune."
(Tirmidhi)

[LookSe]

It is reported that, The Prophet said:
"Do not show joy at the misfortune of your brother,
lest Allah have mercy on him and afflict you with misfortune."
(Tirmidhi)

Bhai, its easy to make conclusions. Who is showing joy on his misfortune ? In fact I tried to provide job 3 times to this person, three times he rejected it because of various reasons and he is sitting idle. I just smiled on the fact that no company will consider a person with 0 experience

And he is no way related to me. Is neither my relative, friend nor even neighbor. He is friend of one of my friends (not even a close friend). Why I would do all this to him ? only because he could do something productive

[adoreorerie]

Keep exposing him and let us know how does flesh of your Muslim brother tastes?

That said, I take leave from this thread.

Assalaam'aaleykum