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Old 06-27-2011, 07:18 PM   #21
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It is a well know fact about doctors. They get percentage in everything. I know it because some of my relatives are in medical feild

Case1: Doctor

I was sent by this doctor (relative) to get some tests done in a diagnostic center. He asked me to refer his name. I said ok

The person charged 900 rupees for the tests. Since i was referred by this doctor, i was given discount of 100 rs/-

Later i visited the doctor to see the reports. He again gave me back around 150 rs/ saying they forgot to give it to me. they already discounted the amount, again what would they have forgotten ? My super computer mind calculated all the possibilities and I was sure it was the commission sent to him and since i was a relative, it was given back to me.

Few months later, i was meeting one of my relatives who also runs a diagnostic center. In the due course we started to talk some business tie up and the person said, in this business you have to give commission to the doctors. If you do not give, then they will tell that the report is not correct.

I asked him what if the person comes to a them directly without reference ? He said we make the report such a way that the doctor can tell the patient what ever he like. He may say that his condition is good or bad. We do this to save our goodwill among doctors. He said, if the doctor is happy with us, then only he will refer patients to us. Its also kinda of marketing strategy.

This grew interest in me of what else doctors do. And i have made some study on this concept as well.

The conclusion is: Doctor profession has now become a pure business.

Suggestions:

1) Instead of going to some small doctors and living life in dilema, go to some big corporate hospital. Its not because corporate hospitals are good. Its only because they collect all the money at once and doesnt play much games.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:11 PM   #22
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The conclusion is: Doctor profession has now become a pure business.
lol you've got such an insight

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Old 06-27-2011, 10:17 PM   #23
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lol you've got such an insight



you have got such good insight about him having good insight
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:29 AM   #24
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I was just wondering if bro Abu Tamim takes such kind of commissions
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:35 AM   #25
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I was just wondering if bro Abu Tamim takes such kind of commissions


Dr. Abu Tamim clearly mentioned it in his blog:

I say this with pride….I DON’T TAKE CUTS. I DON’T GIVE CUTS.
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:40 AM   #26
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Dr. Abu Tamim clearly mentioned it in his blog:


So you call commissions "cuts" in professional language ?
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:43 AM   #27
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So you call commissions "cuts" in professional language ?


Yup.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:53 AM   #28
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It is a well know fact about doctors. They get percentage in everything. I know it because some of my relatives are in medical feild

Case1: Doctor

I was sent by this doctor (relative) to get some tests done in a diagnostic center. He asked me to refer his name. I said ok

The person charged 900 rupees for the tests. Since i was referred by this doctor, i was given discount of 100 rs/-

Later i visited the doctor to see the reports. He again gave me back around 150 rs/ saying they forgot to give it to me. they already discounted the amount, again what would they have forgotten ? My super computer mind calculated all the possibilities and I was sure it was the commission sent to him and since i was a relative, it was given back to me.

Few months later, i was meeting one of my relatives who also runs a diagnostic center. In the due course we started to talk some business tie up and the person said, in this business you have to give commission to the doctors. If you do not give, then they will tell that the report is not correct.

I asked him what if the person comes to a them directly without reference ? He said we make the report such a way that the doctor can tell the patient what ever he like. He may say that his condition is good or bad. We do this to save our goodwill among doctors. He said, if the doctor is happy with us, then only he will refer patients to us. Its also kinda of marketing strategy.

This grew interest in me of what else doctors do. And i have made some study on this concept as well.

The conclusion is: Doctor profession has now become a pure business.

Suggestions:

1) Instead of going to some small doctors and living life in dilema, go to some big corporate hospital. Its not because corporate hospitals are good. Its only because they collect all the money at once and doesnt play much games.

But business can also be done cleanly, can it not? Maybe the conclusion should be changed to "our profession has now become an impure biz".
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:55 AM   #29
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How about Ulama/Mashykh who take cuts from travel agents by sending people for Hajj/Umrah to their companies?

How about Ulama/Mashykh who take teach children in the Maktab and then also tell Parents that their children need "private tuition"?

How about Ulama/Mashykh who setup institues and create fancy books, MP3 and Islamic material, charge extortionist prices and live a lavish lifestyle?

How about Ulama/Mashykh who certify Halal meat and other products, charge a commission in the process and live a lavish lifestyle?

Are you willing to be as forthright and honest?

hadrat.
Your penchant for digression deserves an award.
I am a doctor speaking about my profession and its pitfalls. There are plenty of 'ulama here who can be asked your questions. I am sure that they will be willing to answer forthrightly and honestly.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:56 AM   #30
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Dr. Abu Tamim clearly mentioned it in his blog:
He was joking.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:41 PM   #31
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But business can also be done cleanly, can it not? Maybe the conclusion should be changed to "our profession has now become an impure biz".
Assalam Alekum Abu Tamim Bhai,
Can you please also write about the dirty business happening in the name of Caesarian Delivery, Bhai I think this issue is much more important to bring in notice to the people. I am not aware of the statistics ratio between Caesarian deliveries Vs Normal deliveries. But for sure the Numbers of Caesarian deliveries is much higher than Normal deliveries in MUSLIM Hospital.
Assalam alekum
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:15 PM   #32
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Assalam Alekum Abu Tamim Bhai,
Can you please also write about the dirty business happening in the name of Caesarian Delivery, Bhai I think this issue is much more important to bring in notice to the people. I am not aware of the statistics ratio between Caesarian deliveries Vs Normal deliveries. But for sure the Numbers of Caesarian deliveries is much higher than Normal deliveries in MUSLIM Hospital.
Assalam alekum


Interesting topic. Now a days almost all parents are worried about this. Here also i recommend same thing go to some big hospital or the one which is well known for authentic deliveries. Inquire about others experience before going to any hospital.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:51 PM   #33
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Walekum assalam Bhai,

BIG HOSPITAL is also not safe to recommend, But I do recommend Municipal(Govt's) Hospital , as for them Caesarian is the last option if they find medical difficulties for Normal deliveries .

Assalam Alekum ..
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:42 PM   #34
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Walekum assalam Bhai,

BIG HOSPITAL is also not safe to recommend, But I do recommend Municipal(Govt's) Hospital , as for them Caesarian is the last option if they find medical difficulties for Normal deliveries .

Assalam Alekum ..


From what I know, you have to stand in long rows for even check up's and even once the delivery is over, there are no good beds or service ?
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Old 06-28-2011, 05:49 PM   #35
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hadrat.
Your penchant for digression deserves an award.
I am a doctor speaking about my profession and its pitfalls. There are plenty of 'ulama here who can be asked your questions. I am sure that they will be willing to answer forthrightly and honestly.
Doctor Saheb,

There is a point to this digression.

In Islam we look at issues according to set principles so if you believe that “benefitting” in this manner is abominable then it applies to all professions and areas. I duly appreciate that you are pointing out the errors in your profession and if in your opinion there are Ulama who are doing the same (talking, writing, presenting) please point them out to be even in private if you wish.

If you believe that scrutiny of Ulama should be within (closed doors) then Doctors, deserve the same courtesy and respect. And not to be labelled “Blood Suckers” because the profession of medicine is highly regarded and respected in Islamic Shariah and if scrutinising Ulama publicly creates a danger of “loss of credibility” then calling Doctors “Blood Suckers” does the same!

All of this is already evident by many posters on this forum who think of modern medicine and doctors as nothing but “corporate money hungry vampires” VERSUS in Islamic Shariah Ulama have listed being a "Doctor" as the 2nd most noble profession or many times "Fard-Kifaayah" so nobody even a Doctor (himself) has the right to throw mud at what the Ulama have declared to be noble.

As always, you have the right to disagree.

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Old 06-28-2011, 06:05 PM   #36
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From what I know, you have to stand in long rows for even check up's and even once the delivery is over, there are no good beds or service ?
Walekum Assalam

Bhai , I am not trying cut ur point but dont you think spending some minutes standing in Q is better then having Caesarian delivery and if the birth is through normal procedure , we dont have to LOOK for Bed or service .. mother is released on the same day .
I think the discussion will turn to MUNICAPAL VS Private (Big Hosiptal) if we get to this debate, So lets hold on this issue for some time and wait for our respected Bro's / Sis's to write something on the issue.

Assalam Alekum
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:48 PM   #37
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Doctor Saheb,

There is a point to this digression.

In Islam we look at issues according to set principles so if you believe that “benefitting” in this manner is abominable then it applies to all professions and areas. I duly appreciate that you are pointing out the errors in your profession and if in your opinion there are Ulama who are doing the same (talking, writing, presenting) please point them out to be even in private if you wish.

If you believe that scrutiny of Ulama should be within (closed doors) then Doctors, deserve the same courtesy and respect. And not to be labelled “Blood Suckers” because the profession of medicine is highly regarded and respected in Islamic Shariah and if scrutinising Ulama publicly creates a danger of “loss of credibility” then calling Doctors “Blood Suckers” does the same!

All of this is already evident by many posters on this forum who think of modern medicine and doctors as nothing but “corporate money hungry vampires” VERSUS in Islamic Shariah Ulama have listed being a "Doctor" as the 2nd most noble profession or many times "Fard-Kifaayah" so nobody even a Doctor (himself) has the right to throw mud at what the Ulama have declared to be noble.

As always, you have the right to disagree.





true to the hilt colonel sahab..

been a sad week already with ppl throwing mud at doctors .. some just absurd with evident ' hasad ' or surge of neo socialism ... this should inject some sense at last..

duas..

wa assalam..

wa assalam..
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:54 PM   #38
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Assalam Alekum Abu Tamim Bhai,
Can you please also write about the dirty business happening in the name of Caesarian Delivery, Bhai I think this issue is much more important to bring in notice to the people. I am not aware of the statistics ratio between Caesarian deliveries Vs Normal deliveries. But for sure the Numbers of Caesarian deliveries is much higher than Normal deliveries in MUSLIM Hospital.
Assalam alekum
akhi.
Perhaps what you mean is Ob-Gyns' doing Caesar's without reason? or rather without sufficient reason. Then there can be two reasons for this:
1) Excessive caution on the part of the doctor in a high risk patient.
2) Greed.
The greed part needs nothing more say.
Uterine rupture is a complication in which the uterus wall bursts open. Usually, both mother and child are dead before they can be operated upon. That is why in high-risk patients, even my opinion tilts towards a Cesarean (without a trial of normal labour).
Wa laykum salam.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:59 PM   #39
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Walekum assalam Bhai,

BIG HOSPITAL is also not safe to recommend, But I do recommend Municipal(Govt's) Hospital , as for them Caesarian is the last option if they find medical difficulties for Normal deliveries .

Assalam Alekum ..

I do not recommend this.
Government and Municipal staff are exceedingly anti-Muslim and Muslim patients are harassed in these places. Also, there is no concept of Hijab and many a times the patient has to be delivered and examined by men.
Also, it has been brought to my notice that certain gynecs in Govt hospitals crush the Fallopian tubes of women on whom they operate in order to prevent future pregnancies.
What we need are large Muslim Hospitals......with every specialty in them.
The Bohris have Saifee Hospital, the Aga Khanis have Ismaili Hospital, the Twelvers have Habib Hospital. But we have only one charitable place called Saboo Siddiq Hospital. Its time we got together.
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Old 06-28-2011, 08:07 PM   #40
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I do not recommend this.
Government and Municipal staff are exceedingly anti-Muslim and Muslim patients are harassed in these places. Also, there is no concept of Hijab and many a times the patient has to be delivered and examined by men.
Also, it has been brought to my notice that certain gynecs in Govt hospitals crush the Fallopian tubes of women on whom they operate in order to prevent future pregnancies.
What we need are large Muslim Hospitals......with every specialty in them.
The Bohris have Saifee Hospital, the Aga Khanis have Ismaili Hospital, the Twelvers have Habib Hospital. But we have only one charitable place called Saboo Siddiq Hospital. Its time we got together.


How much investment, do we require for such kind of hospital ?
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