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Old 09-21-2012, 08:38 AM   #1
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Improvements of that magnitude for already world class athletes in such a short period of time shouldn't even be questioned? You cannot be serious.
You can question it to yourself but don't publicly bring up doping accusations with zero evidence... that's total bullshit.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:39 AM   #2
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I have no doubt that there are plenty of gringos who are doping.
So Lezak is obviously as guilty as Bolt and the Chinese swimmer, right?
It can't be other variables when someone does much better than their personal best... doping is your conclusion... or does that only apply to non-US athletes?
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:46 AM   #3
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Funny to hear a guy busted for PEDs raising unfounded suspicion of someone who hasn't.
But he does have the perspective of what goes on in that sport. And his point about an improvement at that level in such a short time definitely points to a valid question. As much as the Chinese swimmer's situation.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:19 AM   #4
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Please let me know which USA athletes you believe are doping.
I'm sure Jason Lezak would obviously be on your guilty list based on his relay performance in Beijing.
I have no doubt that there are plenty of gringos who are doping.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:23 AM   #5
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I can't believe he's never failed a test...

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Old 09-21-2012, 10:05 AM   #6
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Puff puff pass!
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:22 AM   #7
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This too. Though so far I will say there is nothing that points to the Jamaican program ever being involved in doping of any kind, but in today's world unfortunately there will always be ? of this sort. The timing methods today are also far superior and more accurate than the past.
Nothing?
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #8
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Correct. By itself, that is zero evidence.

If you have other stuff, that could be added for a case of circumstantial evidence.
I have to agree w/ TJD here *shudders* Unless someone has some other evidence of this program or person cheating, it is all sour grapes speculation. That being said, I do not need that to dislike this Bolt kid, though I will say if proven a cheater, I will not be surprised or shed a tear, I just do not see it right now.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:38 PM   #9
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Nothing?
I easily may have fogotten - which has been proven to be a possiblity w/ me in the past - an incident along the way, but except for being faster than everybody else right now, I do not know of anything else.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:46 PM   #10
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I easily may have fogotten - which has been proven to be a possiblity w/ me in the past - an incident along the way, but except for being faster than everybody else right now, I do not know of anything else.
Here's what Carl Lewis had to say:

"When people ask me about Bolt, I say he could be the greatest athlete of all time," Lewis said. "But for someone to run 10.03 one year and 9.69 the next, if you don't question that in a sport that has the reputation it has right now, you're a fool. Period."
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Old 09-21-2012, 04:05 PM   #11
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So the theory here is the Chinese swimmer, Bolt, and all these other impressive (non-US) athletes are just smarter than Americans to use and not get caught?

The tests are held for 7 years... even if Bolt used before that unbelievable race in Beijing, we still can't figure out how to catch him based on his sample?
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:30 PM   #12
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I can't believe he's never failed a test...

That just made me hungry for some reason.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:46 PM   #13
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I have a bridge I'd love to sell to you.
Please let me know which USA athletes you believe are doping.
I'm sure Jason Lezak would obviously be on your guilty list based on his relay performance in Beijing.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:51 PM   #14
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Here's what Carl Lewis had to say:
Funny to hear a guy busted for PEDs raising unfounded suspicion of someone who hasn't.
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:45 PM   #15
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As soon as he crossed the line, he did five push-ups, one for each of his Olympic medals. The 4x100 relay is coming up this weekend, and the opportunity for a sixth.
He said afterward, "I'm now a legend. I'm also the greatest athlete to live."



http://www.nbcolympics.com/kxas/news...-a-legend.html
Exactly why I love the guy so much
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:58 PM   #16
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Default Bolt is proud of how humble he is
As soon as he crossed the line, he did five push-ups, one for each of his Olympic medals. The 4x100 relay is coming up this weekend, and the opportunity for a sixth.
He said afterward, "I'm now a legend. I'm also the greatest athlete to live."



http://www.nbcolympics.com/kxas/news...-a-legend.html
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:16 PM   #17
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True, you're just being typical American sheeple.

Please notice it's Americans who are calling out any impressive non-US athlete... the rest of the world isn't calling out our athletes as we're kicking their tails in.
You're a piece of work. Their have been accusations made about gringos, too. Accusations that may well be based in fact.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:41 PM   #18
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Totally bogus. They didn't run on the same tracks. The rubber tracks of today are way, way faster than the dirt in the past. Not to mention shoes or training methods. And very possibly the 'better living through chemistry' thing.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:46 PM   #19
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So a half second improvement for an already world class athlete in a 10 second event is zero evidence?
Correct. By itself, that is zero evidence.

If you have other stuff, that could be added for a case of circumstantial evidence.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:27 PM   #20
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You're a piece of work. Their have been accusations made about gringos, too. Accusations that may well be based in fact.
Who? Which Americans have been accused? I haven't heard.

And of those, I'm curious to know which ones you believe are probably guilty like Bolt and the Chinese Swimmer.
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