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01-12-2011, 02:29 PM | #1 |
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Ok, I read about pitbulls and amstaffs. People say they are the same.
I thought about amstaffs, they are quite cute and are akc registered + people dont take the name amstaff seriously like pitbulls. one minus though, heard that there temperament is like one owner only, jealous and good breeder are a must because they like to growl or snap if somethings not their way and have more of a bad temperament then pitbulls and english staffies + ofcourse a good alpha leader is needed. ok now pitbulls, everything about pitbulls is just rocking awesome. I like the blue variants and the red variants. they dont quit, are athletic ( i love jogging, hiking and sprinting + other sports/ activities you can do with your pit ). The one thing i dont like in pits are those muscles so ripped and tight, which sometimes i like and sometimes it freaks me when a muscular body, so thin and so powerful. My other concern is that what if i cant control the muscular dog ? Ill need to go to the gym eat all meat. lol and one thing that doesnt go in my mind, is that good breeders are hard to find, yes but are pitbulls really kind ? i mean the game bred ones and why do they put them on chains, although on caragan kennels they love them alot. I read that in old family reds have longer stamina and are bone crushers, this scares me... but i wouldnt mind owning a muscular pitbull any ideas + advice ? I like muscles but sometime not to that point is that where all i can see is bones and muscles and no baby fat !!! LOL |
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01-12-2011, 04:22 PM | #2 |
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I don`t want to sound condescending here but you post/reply in a very serious thread about a bully type dog biting a child, telling the OP to "alph roll" the dog to sort out the biting issue, while in this thread you ask, wanting knowlage about the very basic`s and traits of the "bully type" dogs !!!!
Rule 1 / be responsible. Rule 2/ educate yourself by being "hands onn" before making assumptions and giving advice out without first hand experiance. Rule 3/ forget about what you`v learned from cesar millan ways when following rule 2. |
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01-12-2011, 05:13 PM | #3 |
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01-12-2011, 05:37 PM | #4 |
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There aren't blue pits that don't have am staff mixed in somewhere up the line just as there aren't any blue staff terriers. There certainly aren't blue game dogs.
Am staffs can be just as ripped and even more muscle bound than a game dog or a registered pit. Even bullies can has physiques that are off the chart. Look at Pink's bullies. It all depends on diet and exercise Controlling your dog should have nothing to do with your physical prowess. Teach your dog to follow verbal commands. If you can teach a poodle to follow commands, you can certainly teach a pit. If you can't train a poodle, then you're going to get yourself in trouble with a pit bull just as you would be in trouble with a rottweiler or a german shepherd or a boxer or any other large dog. As you've already alluded to, a bully's strength to weight ratio virtually unmatched, so while they are medium sized dogs, go into this as if you're buying a st. bernard. If you don't think you can train a doberman, don't make the mistake of thinking it will be more simple with a bully. |
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01-12-2011, 06:33 PM | #5 |
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I understand by what you meant....But if you own a pitbull, why not share some training advice and recommendations based on your experience ? |
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01-12-2011, 08:49 PM | #6 |
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A dog that growls or snaps if "something's not its way" is a poorly trained dog, regardless of breed. It's not an Amstaff breed trait.
A dog's only going to be as muscular as genetics and you allow it to be. It's not going to be super ripped if you don't exercise it properly. And the strength of the dog shouldn't affect how easy it is for you to control the dog. That's what training is for. And when you see gamebred APBTs on chains, it's usually because there are more than one and they can't be kept in the house together. They're usually being shown, worked, or bred. APBTs are masters at escaping from yards and kennels and chains provide a secure form of containment. You have a lot more to learn. And don't get a dog you admit you're afraid of. That's how accidents happen. |
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01-12-2011, 09:33 PM | #7 |
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Ok, I read about pitbulls and amstaffs. People say they are the same. |
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01-12-2011, 09:36 PM | #8 |
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01-12-2011, 09:42 PM | #10 |
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all advice given is spot on, so I am just going to add a little...you ask about training and behavior and such...well I would go start reading the training threads, and the puppy threads, you will find that you train a "pit bull" the same as you train a lab or a JRT, you have to be vigilant and be responsible for your dog regardless of the breed, the only reason you need to be more so with a "pit bull" is because so many people are out to destroy the breed with legislation that kills family pets (read about Denver's BSL if you don't believe me)
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01-12-2011, 10:10 PM | #11 |
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01-12-2011, 11:36 PM | #13 |
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My replies in red. Honestly, I don't think you are ready to own a Pit Bull and you may never be ready. There is no shame in that. We have different breeds for a reason. There is something out there for everyone. You just need to find your ideal breed. |
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01-13-2011, 02:34 AM | #14 |
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01-13-2011, 03:32 AM | #15 |
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I think the simple fact that you questioned your ability to control a strong dogs says you are NOT ready for ANY type of bull breed/pitbull type dog.
And also the fact that you aren't always a fan of a ripped looking dog says this breed is probably most likely not for you. Even an unathletic and fairly mild energy pit bull [or am staff] is going to need lots of exercise and things too keep them stimulated/entertained. Spring Poles, Flirt Poles, Chew Toys, Tug Ropes, Treadmill etc etc etc. These dogs... no matter which breed you choose will want and need exercise, assuming they are coming from a good breeder. They are muscular dogs even if they are fairly lazy... although a well bred APBT/AmStaff should never be lazy. If you want a dog that requires less work and less strength I would also suggest looking at different breeds. |
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02-12-2011, 02:00 PM | #17 |
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LOL -- I wanna know how old the OP is.... ---------- Post added at 05:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:57 PM ---------- MJJean your answer is really good not like the some of the members... All Im doing is trying to find out about the breed and the advice could be given, not prejudice. After all you all were novices at some point. |
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02-12-2011, 03:14 PM | #18 |
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writing LOL is a crime ? whats wrong with it ???---------- Post added at 05:00 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:57 PM ----------All Im doing is trying to find out about the breed and the advice could be given, notprejudice. After all you all were novices at some point. |
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02-12-2011, 03:35 PM | #19 |
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I would like to commend the OP. It takes a strong individual to come to a forum, and open themselves up for battering. The OP is admitting their inadequacies which is something very few people can do. It is great that they are doing the research before getting an animal. I've always wanted a Weim and haven't gotten one because of my hectic schedule (3 little kids). I wouldn't be able to give it the exercise it deserves and requires. OP, ignore any ridiculous posts/attacks. You are doing the right thing by asking questions, because if you just went out and got one, you'd be stuck in a difficult situation once you figured it out. You'd be stuck with an unruly dog that would need to have a lot of work put into it, re-homed, or put down.
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02-12-2011, 05:22 PM | #20 |
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writing LOL is a crime ? whats wrong with it ??? If you have your heart set on a Pit Bull, research from reputable sources. There is a lot of total bullshit out there on the net and even among breed fanciers. Your best bet is to read every sticky in every section of this forum and go through the threads,too. To be a good Pit Bull owner you need to be determined, committed, have common sense and be willing to work and learn. Because of BSL, we can't afford to make mistakes. We must be constantly on our guards to keep our dogs safe. Do you own a home? If not, are you willing to do what you need to do to find housing that will allow you to keep an APBT or other Bully Breed dog for the next 10+ years? Can you afford to feed a dog grain free, high quality, kibble if it turns out that your dog has allergies? Can you also afford vet care for the usual such as vaccinations and pay for any emergencies or strange illnesses that come up? Are you willing to crate your dog when you can't supervise? Are you willing to set up a chain spot to keep your dog from hopping or tunneling under your fence? Pit Bulls are commonly dog aggressive. Will you keep your dog separate from other dogs for safety? If you decided to have more than one dog would you be willing to crate and rotate them? Do you have the time and are you willing to exercise your dogs mind and body every day with physical workouts and mental workouts through training? Do you understand that the general public is going to give you grief simply because of the breed of dog you own, even when it is well trained and well behaved? Give it some serious thought. If you still want to proceed and get a Bully Breed dog of any kind you can start researching reputable breeders who work and/or show and who health test and get on a waiting list for a pup or you could start searching rescues and shelters to find a pup or an older dog. |
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