[lh88gFzI]

The UKC does not at this time recognize Am Bullies as a breed. So, people register their Am Bullies there as APBT even though they are Am Bullies. This means that you are relying on your breeder to be ethical and to be breeding quality stock since the registries are just that and they do not police their breeders.

Now, the Am Bullies of today are a mix between a number of breeds including the APBT, the AM Staff and sometimes Mastiff, various kinds of Bulldog and even Pug to get the desired size and shape quickly without having to selectively breed over a long period of time.

Because some genetic health issues are found in every breed when breeds are mixed willy nilly to create a popular body type the truth is you won't know what your dog will inherit as far as temperament and physical characteristics or health problems such as hip dyspalsia, heart conditions, breathing issues, eye conditions, skin conditions etc etc.

The only way to ensure a healthy pup is to go through an ethical breeder who competes in a working or show venue and performs genetic screening on their dogs once they have reached maturity and befre breeding them. Most tests such as for hip dysplasia are not done until the dog is two years old.

The reality is that you are purchasing a dog from what seems to be an unethical BYB. There is a chance your dog could be perfectly healthy and there is a chance that it could be a genetic mess that will cost you thousands in vet bills.

If it were me I think I would walk away from the deposit and find an ethical breeder.

Not to mention, as someone else said, there are tons of Am Bullies and APBT of all ages in shelters. So, if you just want a pet dog you could adopt one. If you want a purebred from an ethical breeder you will have to do some research and find a breeder that is trustworthy. If cost is a concern, generally dogs from the shelter are less expensive.

[cristmiff]

Well this is just going to be a family pet with all the reading these are really good for that...And i was thinking of adopting but thought this was a good deal so just went that way to get a dog that was papered and such....And the reason he will let it go for less is if i get neutered and he will still give me the papers but if i wanting to breed then it would be more......

So is this dog not going to be that good with kids as oppose to a good ABT, A i do have a 3 year old to consider....

[Michaelnewerb]

Please don't breed it.

You're already buying a dog that is bred without any concern for health, personality, or structure so there is NO reason to be passing the crap onto another bunch of pups.

There are SO many health issues in pit bulls that begin later in life that you really cannot judge on a puppy. In short, your pup could carry the beginnings of ataxia, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, luxating patellas, the very lovely new disorder where the brain stem is detaching from the cerebellum, congenital heart disease and so on.

If you get this puppy, you are promising to treat any of these conditions that may arise. ALL of the potential health problems will cost you well over $200 to begin to treat. I'd let your deposit go and save your bank account from destruction down the line..

[cristmiff]

Wow i dont get it then why are bullys so popular?

[xquFzpNw]

Wow i dont get it then why are bullys so popular?

All breeds have a potential for health problems when not bred properly. The American Bullies seem to have more health problems than the American Pit Bull Terriers. Typically when a breed is popular, there are more BYBs breeding them with no heath tests and definitely not working the dogs or even showing them. When this happens, you end up with more dogs with genetic and health problems. The more people support BYBs, the more they will continue to breed unhealthy animals.

[cristmiff]

well it looks like i learned a expensive lesson i think im going to just go a head and get the dog i cant settle on the fact of just giving 200$ away Ill just have im neutered and next time ill do a little more research before i throw down hard earned cash on a dog...

[xquFzpNw]

well it looks like i learned a expensive lesson i think im going to just go a head and get the dog i cant settle on the fact of just giving 200$ away Ill just have im neutered and next time ill do a little more research before i throw down hard earned cash on a dog...

many, many, many people do make the same thing, then they research and learn more. You don't learn anything until you ask or research, and its good that you are now willing to learn more. Stick around, ask questions, learn as much as you can about these dogs

[gomosopions]

Wow i dont get it then why are bullys so popular?

Cause people think there popular so people get popular dogs and honeslty alot of people dont know they aint worth shit, Most of the time in markegitting you are just paying for the NAME of a product not for how it works or the quality of it just the well know NAME, And honeslty i can go get the best quality and better profermonce some where else for lesser money. People just believe all the hype.

[cristmiff]

many, many, many people do make the same thing, then they research and learn more. You don't learn anything until you ask or research, and its good that you are now willing to learn more. Stick around, ask questions, learn as much as you can about these dogs

I plan on it for sure....thanks

[daguy]

Stick around and learn! The very reason backyard breeders exist is because the majority of the population thinks just as you did before you came here. They just don't KNOW any better. I commend you for being open to learning so that you will not make the same mistake again. I hope that your new pup turns out to be what you were looking for and fits in well with your family! Good luck!!

[Fosavoa]

*sigh*

I guess this is one reason why I am not all that hip on UKC. They register AmStaffs as APBT. They register AmBullies as APBT. And people who do not know any better buy these dogs thinking they have an APBT b/c that's what UKC says they are, but they are anything but.

unknown, if the dog has ABKC papers it is an American Bully. It is not an APBT. According to the main American Bully founder, AmBullies were bred to be less DA but still possess all the positive character traits of the APBT. Now whether this is true or not I do not know, since I do not own any AmBullies. But that is the claim.

Whether or not the AmBully you're getting will make a good family pet or not depends highly on the breeder. There are some breeders out there who will breed temperamentally unsound dogs if they have 30 in head or stand 14 in tall, b/c lets face it - looks sell. But if you got your dog from a breeder who takes temperament into consideration, you should be fine.

As for health problems, AmBullies come in 3 categories - pocket, classic & XL. The pocket is going to have the most health problems due to the extreme physique they were bred for. Think English Bulldog. Cool looking, but they're often genetic distasters & huge money pits who do not live that long. Vets love them ($$$$).

The XL follows since they are larger dogs they will be shorter lived, more prone to joint problems & since they were outcrossed to various molosser breeds (Neapolitan Mastiff, Cane Corso & Presa Canario are the most common breeds pointed to) aggression issues can be more common.

The classic AmBully is *usually* the original APBT/AST cross. These dogs are the most correct & healthiest of the AmBullies.

Oh well. I hope this helps. Get your pup, neuter it, love it for what it is & consider this an expensive lesson learned.

Blessings ...

[chujwduperjadzi]

Papers do not tell a person what kind of pit bull they have. They need to know how to read a pedigree. Anyone who studies pedigrees even a little should be able to tell a gamebred dog from a ptterstaff or a bully. I guess that is asking too much, as even many breeders do not know how to read their own pedigrees. Even some of the breeders that people respect.

[lopaayd]

Just another BYB. Run from this breeder and do some research.

http://www.pbrc.net/breeding3.html

[joe-salton]

Personally, I would never buy from a breeder in the first place. Far too many shelter dogs die because "no body wants them" (or the shelter is just too lazy to try and adopt them). And the fate for any bully breed is far worse; most are put down without even being given a temperament test, simply because of how they "look". While I suppose if you're looking to compete in some sort of high level of competition, having a "pure bred" or whatever may be appropriate, I still wouldn't want a dog from a breeder It's so hard to find "responsible" breeders now a day, with a market overran with puppy mills and backyard breeders. So sad.

[cristmiff]

Just another BYB. Run from this breeder and do some research.
http://www.pbrc.net/breeding3.html

I know this now and whats done is done...

Personally, I would never buy from a breeder in the first place. Far too many shelter dogs die because "no body wants them" (or the shelter is just too lazy to try and adopt them). And the fate for any bully breed is far worse; most are put down without even being given a temperament test, simply because of how they "look". While I suppose if you're looking to compete in some sort of high level of competition, having a "pure bred" or whatever may be appropriate, I still wouldn't want a dog from a breeder It's so hard to find "responsible" breeders now a day, with a market overran with puppy mills and backyard breeders. So sad.

Again i would of got one from a shelter but seeing that i "thought" this was good deal on pure bred i went this way so really i am taking a pup from the shelter just a little early and little more money...

[Fosavoa]

What you are getting is not purebred. You're just paying purebred price for a cross breed. And I must ask - how are you really taking a pup from the shelter? I am confused.

But if it makes you feel any better, you did get a good deal. Some greeders charge thousands for designer cross breeds & there are fools out there who are paying it. The price you got tells me that people are finally starting to get wise to this American Bully as a pit bull scheme OR the market has finally become so over saturated that the AmBully greeders can't move their stock as well.

Blessings ...

[tofRobbroolve]

Sounds like maybe the breeder was selling the pup for $600 with papers meaning you are able to breed if you want and $400 with a spay/neuter contract??
I purchased our apbt on a spay/neuter contract. She will be spayed and upon spay they send the papers. I am not a breeder never will be so papers is a non issue even though I plan on doing WP, agility, and nose work with her. If your guy is going to just be a pet, then screw the papers and just enjoy the dog

[Indian Butt Magic]

I went through the BYB crap with a different breed, but still the result was devastating.

Our Trouble came from a BYB and he had terrible health problems from very early on. The breeder actually couldn't sell him so we got him for $250. He had originally been $500. No health tests had been run on the parents infact she had never met the sire. She sent her bitch down to be bred to the sire. There were 2 pups in the litter and one was still born. Trouble was the surviving pup and was delievered by c-section I believe. She was trying to sell him at 6 weeks of age. By 9 weeks she dropped the price. We didn't know about back yard breeders back them. The 2.5 years he was on this earth, were not easy for us or him. He had one health issue after another. We spent thousands of dollars in vet bills. Only to lose him this past may. If I were you I would cut my losses and keep looking. Go to a rescue or keep looking for a reputable breeder. If you find a reputable breeder you will have a dog that comes from good breeding and genetic testing will have been done. They will be titled. If you go through rescue well you may get a well bred dog you may not, but atleast you didn't contribute to the byb problem. You didn't give them money to keep breeding and you will save yourself a world of hurt.

Take my advice, save yourself the heartbreak and financial trouble, and the guilt I face everyday and keep looking.

PS: He came with papers but they were bogus.

[Sierabiera]

forget the bully pup it is against registry rules to charge extra for papers take your 600 bux and find a well bred pit bull from a reputable breeder

[cristmiff]

Sounds like maybe the breeder was selling the pup for $600 with papers meaning you are able to breed if you want and $400 with a spay/neuter contract??
I purchased our apbt on a spay/neuter contract. She will be spayed and upon spay they send the papers. I am not a breeder never will be so papers is a non issue even though I plan on doing WP, agility, and nose work with her. If your guy is going to just be a pet, then screw the papers and just enjoy the dog

Yes that is exactly what it is...I will get the papers either way...

What you are getting is not purebred. You're just paying purebred price for a cross breed. And I must ask - how are you really taking a pup from the shelter? I am confused.

But if it makes you feel any better, you did get a good deal. Some greeders charge thousands for designer cross breeds & there are fools out there who are paying it. The price you got tells me that people are finally starting to get wise to this American Bully as a pit bull scheme OR the market has finally become so over saturated that the AmBully greeders can't move their stock as well.

Blessings ...

Well you guys are saying that these dog end up in a shelter at one point or another so i just got mine before it ended up in one is all...