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Old 10-07-2010, 08:40 PM   #1
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OK so i think Scruffy needs to wear a sign that says "NOT DOG FRIENDLY" because it seems like every time we go on a walk, or in a public place there is SOMEONE who wants their dog to play with her, and wont listen to my when i say "NO she's not dog friendly" It's happened at least 4 times when people insist that my dog is dog friendly and allow their animal to approach mine which results in that animal being kicked away.I mean do they really think they no more about my dog than i do?

Sometimes i wish Scruffy would lunge and growl at other dogs, because than at least people wouldn't put their animals in harms way...Because Scruffy is very calm and will only react if the animal is in her face, she'll walk pass dogs tail wagging seeming like a very friendly happy go lucky dog, and she is, WITH PEOPLE.


Anyway this morning i'm walking Scruffy, and a lady with her Chi says "can you're dog play with mine?"
me:"No she isn't dog friendly, sorry"
her: "really she looks pretty friendly to me"
me:"oh well she's not" i took a few steps away from her hoping to continue with my walk
her:"what you're doing to her is cruel, are you trying to make her mean? you need to socialize your dog, it's not fair to her she obviously wants to play look at that tail wagging"
Me:"Her tail isn't wagging because she wants to play her tail is wagging because she's fantasizing about ripping your dogs f-ing head off"...
And i continued my walk

Okay so i went really over-board and i was very mean, and i probably was in the wrong for saying that. But it gets me so irritated, the sad thing is though, it seems like it might be the only way to get through to people. But this is the first time i reacted so badly..

I think i might just start walking Ace and Scruffy at the same time, because no one really asks Ace to play with their dog (though he's a lot more dog friendly than Scruffy is) So maybe people will listen if i'm walking my giant bully mutt...Which reminds me, i took him to work with me yesterday and someone asked "isn't that one of them dogs that are mixed with tigers"...He seemed really serious, i sure hope he wasn't..i told him as far as i know Ace is ALL dog...

But anyway does anyone else have this problem?
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:58 PM   #2
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Haha love it. Seems like as soon as one myth about pit bulls is proved to be exactly that, a myth, people are off making up some other horror story about them becuase god forbig pit bulls actually be good dogs.

I cant say Id have acted much different honestly. I cant stand when people try and tell me Im wrong when clearly they are the ones wrong. Some people on this board deal with that far better than I could (thankfully the extent of what people tell me about my dog is that hes a great dog and how they bet hes just awesome with my son... even that bothers me but I can handle that with a polite smile and an 'of course he is')
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:04 PM   #3
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I'm seriously thinking about ordering a light-weight vest for Mater and sewing "Please Do NOT Pet Me" "I'm in training" or something along those lines for when I'm out and about with him. Some people seriously just don't get it
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:06 PM   #4
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I mean do they really think they no more about my dog than i do?
Yes, they do.

It doesn't matter if it's the frothing at the mouth "they all need to die" hate crowd or the "you don't love them enough" fur mommies, they ALL believe they know better than you what is right for your dog, what your dog's temperament is, how you are still lucky to be alive, etc. etc.

Amazing how people who have never owned one, certainly wouldn't live with one, and (if they are dog owners) seldom can properly handle the breed they do have just KNOW everything about yours isn't it?
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:25 PM   #5
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Adjecyca, good rant. I don't have that problem right now but have in the past. Heres what i think the big problem is....Self-proclaimed dog expert know-it-alls. We've all run into these people(i live with two) they buy a dog then buy a book and buy the next day they're experts on their "special breed". Dogs don't have to like other dogs if they don't want to. Maybe you should invite that lady and her dog to your house for a private playtime in your backyard. Would your dog still be friendly????
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:27 PM   #6
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Haha, I don't know if that was the greatest way to handle it but I do believe that should have gotten the point across. Why on earth would someone who loves their dog want to let it play with a dog that the owner clearly states doesn't like other dogs. I would of had to let loose a little on the woman also so don't feel bad, maybe next time she won't be so thrilled to try to tell people about their own dogs.

There are a few times people make me want to smack them. Having a pit you either have haters of the breed or those 'pit bull advocates' who are do more damage than anything. Athena is going through an akward stage right now and we are making sure people understand that. THe other day a former covolunteer saw us at the vets and came rushing over. Athena had never once met her and she grabs her cheeks and starts talking in this high squeely voice to her. I got Athena away and asked her not to do that again and her response, 'that's how you make sure they're nice I'd do that to any adult pit and if the owner doesn't allow it then somethings wrong with the dog because of the owners lack of socializing.' IMO no matter how wonderful a dog is that's a great way to tick off a dog.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:31 PM   #7
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I know how you feel. Lily's not DA, but I'm HA, and if I have to tell you more than once to respect my and my dogs personal space, well, I try to be civil.
I'm seriously thinking about ordering a light-weight vest for Mater and sewing "Please Do NOT Pet Me" "I'm in training" or something along those lines for when I'm out and about with him. Some people seriously just don't get it
I've been trying to find one of those for a while, the cheapest mesh vest is $35.
I'm going to get Lily one of these (one of the in-training):
Therapy dogs
They're the cheapest thing I could find. I'm going to write in sharpie "please ask before petting" or "I'm working" or something like that. I hate when people go "oh boo boo come here" in that horrible squeaky voice that always overrides all the training I've put into her 'leave it' command.
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:05 PM   #8
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I hate that so much. And I've lost it plenty of times. No moron, clearly I'm busy exercising my dog.

Now I walk so fast they don't even have a chance to get a word out before I speed by them. iPod in, eyes straight ahead. I don't care if I seem rude. It's freaking hot out, I have things to do, I don't want to talk about the crap your dog does and how great he is and spend 30 minutes feeling obligated to stand there bored out of my skull and sweating out half my body weight saying "uh huh, yeah, I bet, right, mhmm". Sorry, I have a million things to do before I go to bed and have to work at 6 am, and you're eating up my precious free time.

Tell them your dog has some horrible contagious disease. You can tell them something real, or say it's dog pox or something.

lol or cover him in fake blood. I'm sure no one would go near him then.
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:13 PM   #9
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I know how you feel. Lily's not DA, but I'm HA, and if I have to tell you more than once to respect my and my dogs personal space, well, I try to be civil.


I've been trying to find one of those for a while, the cheapest mesh vest is $35.
I'm going to get Lily one of these (one of the in-training):
Therapy dogs
They're the cheapest thing I could find. I'm going to write in sharpie "please ask before petting" or "I'm working" or something like that. I hate when people go "oh boo boo come here" in that horrible squeaky voice that always overrides all the training I've put into her 'leave it' command.
Oh just go get a big bandanna from a craft store for a couple of buck and write that on there. I think I'm going to do that or get a t-shirt that fits Mater well and write it on there. Much cheaper
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:24 PM   #10
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All I've been able to find are the blue/red/green patterned ones. Don't need people thinking I have a gangbanger dog lol.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:22 AM   #11
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Okay so i went really over-board and i was very mean...
I try to keep a civil persona here but in truth, I have an evil side as well. Let me tell you why I can not return to Nay Aug Park.


Nay Aug Park in Scranton is not a dog park, but a nice park where leashed dogs are permitted and a place where usually one and one's pet do not get pestered. Heidi and I where there with Trudi about three years ago when we met up with a guy and his Basenji. The Basenji was OK, but this guy would not take no for an answer about his dog and ours 'making friends' and twice we had to tell him not to reach out and pet Trudi, who was picking up on the tension in my voice and starting to get that look on her face.
I backed up a few paces with Trudi's leash pulled all the way in and this guy started to preach socialization and so on just as your clown did.

So I started to twitch a little. Then I rocked my head from shoulder to shoulder and staring down at the ground started chanting "Must not kill, must not kill, must not kill..."

My wife, who knows what a jerk I can be at times, was horrified. Trudi just kind of looked up at me with her head tilted. The guy and the Basenji were both long gone.
A few minutes later a park cop rode up on his bike...

"Sir, we had a complaint about you and your dog."
"Why, my dog didn't say a word?"
"Sir, did you threaten to kill someone."
"Actually, I was taking myself out of it."

Even after I explained the situation the park cop failed to see my point nor my idea of humor. My name was jotted down and we asked to leave and not return.

During the 45 minute drive home my wife refused to speak to me. A week later she was relaying the story to my daughter when she came to visit and the two of them were laughing themselves silly at the dining room table.
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:50 AM   #12
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We walk our dogs at night just to avoid people. My two males are dog other dog friendly outside of their group so this is one way we solve this problem. Plus, our neighbors think that the leash laws apply to everyone but them. Grrrr....
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:56 AM   #13
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I've run into this issue at least 3 or 4 times.

I can empathize with people mistaking Veronica for being dog friendly. She is NOT DA; she is snotty & bitchy and reactive...but oftentimes if she sees another dog approaching her - she will get down on the ground and try to crawl towards the other dog while wagging her little tail and looking perfectly friendly. It even looks friendly to me...except I've seen it enough times to know the outcome. She wants to meet the other dog, and as soon as she gets up to it she's all up on tip toes head over the neck snarling like something out of the exorcist. She's not really looking for a fight per se; she's just looking to establish that she is Queen of the universe.

So...clearly not a behavior we want to allow; therefore I am always out with my clicker and my treats and my "leave it's" and "watch me's"....and yet still I have had people allow their dogs to approach.

And I have calmly said, "She's not good with other dogs".

And they keep coming.

And I usually say something like, "Really, she isn't good with other dogs".

And on several occasions I was completely disregarded and they kept coming (which is when I look for an opening to manuever us away from the dog and repeat for the third time, "Really, I'm not making this up...she is NOT good with other dogs".

I've had to do a reality check...like..Am I speaking English? It is so weird to be speaking to someone and have them act like they didn't hear a word you said!
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:04 AM   #14
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but oftentimes if she sees another dog approaching her - she will get down on the ground and try to crawl towards the other dog while wagging her little tail and looking perfectly friendly. It even looks friendly to me...except I've seen it enough times to know the outcome. She wants to meet the other dog, and as soon as she gets up to it she's all up on tip toes head over the neck snarling like something out of the exorcist. She's not really looking for a fight per se; she's just looking to establish that she is Queen of the universe.
I want to know where your dog got commando training. That sounds like the perfect ambush to me
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:07 AM   #15
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I want to know where your dog got commando training. That sounds like the perfect ambush to me
lol

Lucy will do that. It's come in handy now when she hunts birds to keep them from my garden. I keep finding more and more eviscerated birds in my yard.
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Old 10-08-2010, 06:16 AM   #16
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I totally sympathize. Hell, once Mick was in all out protect mode about something and the person I was with was just like, "he just wants to play, look at his tail wagging." I had to explain that a wagging tail is often show when a dog is being aggressive...especially if (in this case) it's accompanied by snarling, barking and full up hackles raised.
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:29 PM   #17
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That is a problem that we all must have. Because we have worked really hard to get Jake to be at least tolerant of other dogs when out, we run into this situation all the time. Just because he is calm and sitting or walking nicely, basically ignoring the other dogs, people immediately think he is not DA.

I've had this conversation too many times with idiot. When they start the "socialization" routine with me I just calmly explain that the dog is very well socialized and that is why he is not trying to take your dogs head off right now.
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Old 11-07-2010, 01:38 PM   #18
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I dont come across this much...maybe because I have bull terriers and they dont know what to think of them, I always get 'is she ok with other dogs?' which I saw 'Yes its okay to meet.' Unless its Bowzer who is leash reactive, I than say 'Not him, but they can meet Scarlett.'
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Old 11-07-2010, 03:50 PM   #19
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I want to know where your dog got commando training. That sounds like the perfect ambush to me
It's actually the cutest little crawl. I have to find a way to put it on cue. She does it with people too; when she wants to meet & greet. She did it last night at agility...commando crawled all the way over to a stranger for pats & wiggles (and of course everyone thought it was hysterical so I didn't stop her).

I dont come across this much...maybe because I have bull terriers and they dont know what to think of them,
Strangest thing...I actually get allot of people who want their dogs to meet Veronica. I'd have had several upscale dinners out by now if I had a dollar for everyone who tries to reassure me that "it's OK their dog is friendly" - like whether or not mine might not be is even a concern...
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