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Heopretg2006 06-12-2009 09:48 PM

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so is this the reason for wanting a game bred apbt?? if someone pays extra money for a dog that that is game bred and never uses it isn't that kind of an ego thing?

From what I have seen gamebred/game lined APBT are less expensive than both American Bullies and American Staffordshire Terriers.

Usually the reason, at least, from what I have seen and heard, for people wanting gamebred/gamelined APBTs, is because they want a true APBT, a dog that is true to the breed standard.

fuesquemill 06-12-2009 09:54 PM

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so is this the reason for wanting a game bred apbt?? if someone pays extra money for a dog that that is game bred and never uses it isn't that kind of an ego thing?
if you want a greyhound bred down off the fastest race winning dogs.....but you have no intention of ever letting the dog run........is that ego,s ?....of course it is......i think its kind of obvious when you break it down.

Heopretg2006 06-12-2009 09:59 PM

If someone is going around telling everyone, My dog is gamebred or from gamelines, then I'd say it is more of an ego thing. Just trying to show off something, that in the end, they didn't acheive anything or do anything. However, just because someone wants to own a dog that is gamebred or down from gamelines, doesn't make it an ego thing, IMO.

RafaelYV 06-12-2009 10:27 PM

i understand what your saying ^^^^ but it is very possible to have a apbt in its true form without it being game right? after all if there was a litter of pups there would only be like a few puppies out of the litter that were game right?

Heopretg2006 06-13-2009 12:45 AM

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i understand what your saying ^^^^ but it is very possible to have a apbt in its true form without it being game right? after all if there was a litter of pups there would only be like a few puppies out of the litter that were game right?
It is possible that none of the puppies will be game, and isn't even possible to find out in the US without committing a felony.

However, I think it is quite slim to find an APBT that is truely an APBT without it at least coming from gamelines, but I could be wrong, as I am just a student of the breed myself.

If I were to get another APBT, I'd want one from game lines, however, I would never say my dog was "game", because there is only one way to find out, and there is no way I'd risk my freedom to do so, nor would I risk my dog's life. I don't want the dog to "boost my ego". I'd want an APBT from at least game lines, but I want an APBT, and to me, that is what makes an APBT an APBT, and not an Amstaff.

However, while it is possible that out of a whole litter from a game x game breeding, they could possibly all be curs. The trait "might" still be there. One could argue that one shouldn't be breeding unless one knows the trait is there. Though, I guess that forms a whole different topic.

Nosmas 07-12-2009 10:02 AM

If dogs are advertised as game bred then more than likely they will cost more than the next dogs down the road, simply because the owner is trying to differentiate their dogs from the hordes of others. There is really no need for them to be game bred or anything else. The important features can be seen and tested in a field or in competition. The things you use should always carry far more weight than the intangibles which are not going to be known. People have this idea that the only way to get a good dog is to get one which has been game bred. There are a lot of working lines available where dogs are made to test their mettle in a number of situations. Chances are unless you intend to face your dog against another, these are going to be better dogs to own by the simple fact they have had to show their worth in socially accepted circles. You can see what they are all about. If you get some fabled game dog, all you know is it will be willing to kill someone elses dog and get you in a whole load of trouble.

fuesquemill 07-12-2009 11:00 AM

my view is if it is illegal to match dogs or test dogs for gameness then it should also be illegal to advertise " game bred " dogs for sale.....

that way gameness stays with the people that need it ....and theres no confusion.....besides which,isnt advertising a litter of " gamebred dogs " an admission of having already broken the law anyway !

or maybe its just a pretty sales title ...lets face it folk with genuine pups for sale bred from gameness rarely need to advertise them anyway http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/wink.png

grubnismarl 07-12-2009 04:09 PM

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From what I have seen gamebred/game lined APBT are less expensive than both American Bullies and American Staffordshire Terriers.

Usually the reason, at least, from what I have seen and heard, for people wanting gamebred/gamelined APBTs, is because they want a true APBT, a dog that is true to the breed standard.
Good Lord, yes! I cannot get over how so many people think that gamebred dogs are so dam expensive. NOT SO. People are paying out the nose for the Staffs and the Bullies and very minimal money for a gamebred.
The close group that I associate with is much more apt to give someone a dog than to sell it.
Now if you are referring to the fast lane thugs and criminal elements then perhaps so.
If they have a proven dog they would then sell that dog or his pups for a pretty price.
The reason that I and all my friends want gamebred APBTs is just to keep the breed pure and not mixed with Staffs, Bullies, Blues etc.
I don't hold a thing against those same mixed dogs, or thier owners, I just won't be mixing them myself.

RafaelYV 07-12-2009 06:02 PM

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If I were to get another APBT, I'd want one from game lines, however, I would never say my dog was "game", because there is only one way to find out, and there is no way I'd risk my freedom to do so, nor would I risk my dog's life. I don't want the dog to "boost my ego". I'd want an APBT from at least game lines, but I want an APBT, and to me, that is what makes an APBT an APBT, and not an Amstaff.
this is my thinking good point

suilusargaino 07-12-2009 07:02 PM

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From what I have seen gamebred/game lined APBT are less expensive than both American Bullies and American Staffordshire Terriers.

Usually the reason, at least, from what I have seen and heard, for people wanting gamebred/gamelined APBTs, is because they want a true APBT, a dog that is true to the breed standard.
Yes I have noticed that too.

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my view is if it is illegal to match dogs or test dogs for gameness then it should also be illegal to advertise " game bred " dogs for sale.....

that way gameness stays with the people that need it ....and theres no confusion.....besides which,isnt advertising a litter of " gamebred dogs " an admission of having already broken the law anyway !

or maybe its just a pretty sales title ...lets face it folk with genuine pups for sale bred from gameness rarely need to advertise them anyway http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/wink.png
Well said, Mr. Clueless, when I say gamebred, I mean dogs that came from the original gamebred lines, not dogs that have been tested for whether or not they are game.

Tactattcahhaw 07-12-2009 07:13 PM

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my view is if it is illegal to match dogs or test dogs for gameness then it should also be illegal to advertise " game bred " dogs for sale.....

that way gameness stays with the people that need it ....and theres no confusion.....besides which,isnt advertising a litter of " gamebred dogs " an admission of having already broken the law anyway !
a lot of proven dogs that kennels use were tested outside of the U.S. in places where matches are legal and even government sanctioned in some cases and then retired and sold to U.S. breeders so no it shouldn't be illegal

suilusargaino 07-12-2009 07:21 PM

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a lot of proven dogs that kennels use were tested outside of the U.S. in places where matches are legal and even government sanctioned in some cases and then retired and sold to U.S. breeders so no it shouldn't be illegal
Yes, that is true. I don't think a "type" shoul be illegal, it would be like banning am bullies.

megasprut 07-12-2009 07:28 PM

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I don't want the dog to "boost my ego". I'd want an APBT from at least game lines, but I want an APBT, and to me, that is what makes an APBT an APBT, and not an Amstaff.
That's it in a nutshell.

Nosmas 07-12-2009 10:05 PM

You probably won't get a "gamebred" dog from anyone who really knows what they're doing unless you are "in the know" and they know you. Anyone who knows what they are talking about will go to great lengths to keep their dogs out of the hands of "Joe teh Plumber" because of the responsibilities associated with owning a hot dog and the potential for media attention which could see them lose their own dogs. Almost everytime anyone goes out to get a "gamebred" dog, all they end up with is a poor excuse from a pretender. So why would anyone want that? Might as well just accept it and get something 2 lanes wide. Most times for the average owner wanting to do average things with their dogs, a good non-game dog will be better than anything advertised as game.

fuesquemill 08-12-2009 05:21 PM

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You probably won't get a "gamebred" dog from anyone who really knows what they're doing unless you are "in the know" and they know you. Anyone who knows what they are talking about will go to great lengths to keep their dogs out of the hands of "Joe teh Plumber" because of the responsibilities associated with owning a hot dog and the potential for media attention which could see them lose their own dogs. Almost everytime anyone goes out to get a "gamebred" dog, all they end up with is a poor excuse from a pretender. So why would anyone want that? Might as well just accept it and get something 2 lanes wide. Most times for the average owner wanting to do average things with their dogs, a good non-game dog will be better than anything advertised as game.
absolutely right....like i said before.....pups bred from genuine gameness will rarely need advertising anyway.

as for the people saying about dogs being imported from countries where the sport is legal.....why ? why not get one from your own country.....

search back in 90% of todays dogs peds and there will be game dogs,does that make them gamebred of course it doesnt.....if the gameness is close up and directly inherent then yes......but still....what use is a fast car if your not going to drive it http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/confused.png

ViaplyVuple 09-13-2009 03:06 AM

i would love a dog from game lines. those dogs are usually very determined, im not sure but i think they would excell extremely well in weight pulling and other like sports.

RafaelYV 09-13-2009 03:34 AM

^^^^ thats what i started this about other than preserving the original apbt in its true form or maybe having game in a match how would that make a better dog for other actvities? but then again im like you im not sure??? im gonna get a cam this weekend i think some folks on here that like the original apbts will like mine http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/smile.png


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