[CaseyFronczekHomie]

The Vinyl Lounge is looking for trolls to talk to tonight.

Don't be shy!

[Arrocousa]

Oh. I was hoping this was the name-and-shame thread

[S.T.D.]

Oh. I was hoping this was the name-and-shame thread

That would be far too easy. Besides, this is the opportunity for you to let out your "secret troll".

Bill - perhaps you can alert some of your forum people?

From 8pm tonight. Wowsers need not apply.

Have a go, ya mug!

[Plaumpholavup]

ERB, I had to laugh at what the vinyl lounge twitted "Does Kim Kardashian have to be in every paper every time I open it??? For god sake!!"

Are they trolling this Kim person? Seems a little ironic.

[cokLoolioli]

erb, i had to laugh at what the vinyl lounge twitted "does kim kardashian have to be in every paper every time i open it??? For god sake!!"

are they trolling this kim person? Seems a little ironic.

lol!

[immelawealecy]

hey - that's interesting. Notice it un-capitalised every capital in your quote? Likewise, I typed LOL not lol.

Bug report!

[dosyrotsbop]

Are they trolling this Kim person?

If they're not sending it to her account, no.

[Gogogo]

Just for interest sake, here's an alternative narrative on this whole Charlotte Dawson vs Trolls affair:

1/
The tone of conversation on Dawson's twitter feed has long been mutually abusive and is set by Dawson herself. The comments which have prompted the current news cycle are ugly, but par for the course on her Twitter account.

2/
Dawson is documented as having abused others on-line herself, referring to a young lady as a "westie scragg" and telling a man to " go kill yourself" for example

3/
Dawson has a new book coming out in the very near future, and is not averse to publicity in any form which might sell a few more copies.

4/
The concerted troll attacks on her last night were in protest against her hypocrisy and lime lighting.

Please note, I don't know how much, if any of the above is true. I'm not suggesting it definitely is, or that it's probable. I do think it's possible though, and present it in the hope that it will lead to some interesting conversation.

I find it interesting how there is an assumed narrative at play here. The trolls are nothing more than grotty little basement dwellers picking on a vulnerable woman who unwittingly and heroically put herself in their line of fire.

I saw Charlie Pickering on _The Panel_ last night offering an opinion designed entirely to shame and marginalized the trolls. It's counter productive, I think, to treat people who have obvious socialization problems and probably quite often other mental difficulties, people who already feel socially marginalized any way, in such a callous fashion.

I hope that is not the intention tonight of the people at the op's link

Please note, I'm not endorsing trolling here. I'm just wondering if the way we think about them is not a little nasty and unsympathetic

[salomal-qask]

hey - that's interesting. Notice it un-capitalised every capital in your quote? Likewise, I typed LOL not lol.

Bug report!

Yes, ERB. I would only offer your initials in capitals to show due respect

[majestictwelve]

That's why I like you Stan!

[clapsoewmred]

I don't know much about this Dawson person but i have seen bits and pieces from similar shows and I'd guess her role is similar: Basically to critique, in a not particularly pleasant way, the looks and self image of aspiring models or some such. Now, I don't think that harrasment is ever good but if you live in a glass house don't f@#%ing throw stones...

[JANALA]

Just for interest sake, here's an alternative narrative on this whole Charlotte Dawson vs Trolls affair:

1/
The tone of conversation on Dawson's twitter feed has long been mutually abusive and is set by Dawson herself. The comments which have prompted the current news cycle are ugly, but par for the course on her Twitter account.

2/
Dawson is documented as having abused others on-line herself, referring to a young lady as a "westie scragg" and telling a man to " go kill yourself" for example

3/
Dawson has a new book coming out in the very near future, and is not averse to publicity in any form which might sell a few more copies.

4/
The concerted troll attacks on her last night were in protest against her hypocrisy and lime lighting.

Most interesting. Thank you for documenting this. If the above is correct it will interesting to see if the e-hospitalised one makes a swift recovery.
Is it the hater having the hate returned tenfold I wonder?

[Cinzomzm]

I don't know much about this Dawson person but i have seen bits and pieces from similar shows and I'd guess her role is similar: Basically to critique, in a not particularly pleasant way, the looks and self image of aspiring models or some such. Now, I don't think that harrasment is ever good but if you live in a glass house don't f@#%ing throw stones...

That would actually have been my point number 5 in the above hypothetical, if I wasn't distracted by the difficulties of surfing on an iPad tonight rather than my usual laptop.

Full disclosure: the scenario I gaveh above is based on what I saw 4chan users saying about this affair last night. 4chan is obviously and overtly not a reliable reference, which is why I'm presenting it as a hypothetical aimed at a larger discussion rather than simply paying out on ms Dawson

[Seesspoxy]

Please note, I don't know how much, if any of the above is true. I'm not suggesting it definitely is, or that it's probable. I do think it's possible though, and present it in the hope that it will lead to some interesting conversation.

What's your source for this information?

[Veveseinlep]

What's your source for this information?

As above, my original source is 4chan, which I admit is not reliable. However, if you google "Charlotte Dawson westie scragg" for example, you will be confronted with a plethora of allegations against Dawson's on line behavior.

I'm not saying these should be taken as fact... Most of them are anecdote and I can't vouch for them reliability of the documentation.

That doesn't really matter re. My argument here though, because all I'm trying to point out is that generally the media does not investigate issues like this; rather it presents comforting naratives which pander to the target audiences prejudices and biases, and that audience laps it up without a skerric of critical or skeptical thought.

Put it this way... I'd bet my right arm there's a bunch of people out there suitably disgusted with the behavior that put Charlotte Dawson in hospital without even considering whether their outrage was justified.

[MilenaJaf]

It's near impossibleb to copy/paste on an iPad, but look for NSW Police Minister Mike Gallaghers comments on this case that the people responsible for the abuse last night should bet"dragged out of their mothers basements" for a perfect example of stereotype and marginalization which is most likely to affect troubled people negatively, and which has no other purpose than to pander to community prejudices at the expense of those troubled people.

There are people out there in cyberspace who demonstrate poor behavior as a consequence of genuine problems. What's the police commissioners excuse for his poor behavior?

[Fededorbprago]

I mean, seriously, what proportion of Australian houses even have basements?

Let me propose the police ministers motivation: "I'm a populist arsehole who doesn't GAF about anyone who might not fit perfectly in to my populist POV".

I saw that jj was angry earlier about this stuff. I'm angry too, but for very different reasons.

[TEFSADDERFISA]

I've always found that the nastier troll packs form around people who go looking for a fight. That's not to say anything about individual or RL harassment type situations.

[wp6Eg2Fm]

Most interesting. Thank you for documenting this. If the above is correct it will interesting to see if the e-hospitalised one makes a swift recovery.
Is it the hater having the hate returned tenfold I wonder?

"within hours of being admitted to the Emergency Psychiatric Care Unit ... Dawson left hospital to conduct an interview with 60 minutes..... Dawson was (then) readmitted to the hospital...."

[flienianO]

As above, my original source is 4chan, which I admit is not reliable. However, if you google "Charlotte Dawson westie scragg" for example, you will be confronted with a plethora of allegations against Dawson's on line behavior.

What I'm finding is that the "westie scragg" comment was a response after the trolling began. The other one, I suspect it was a retweet that others then misattributed to her.