[AdobeCreativeSuite]

In australia

[Pvfcadbh]

Why do you keep bringing up prions? They have nothing to do with viruses, bacteria or vaccinations. mmh.. I will leave you wondering on this one LOL

OK lets look at a health problem that is about 70 years old

Many bugs have become resistant to modern antibiotics... TB, Staph, Strep etc

So the magic bullet (antibiotics) has released bugs with the potential to "wipe out human beings" (I don't believe this is possible, but )

To save a few, maybe the whole population is now at risk..or sometime in the future...

Martin, I appreciate your interest, but looking with one eye is unscientific, while attacking individuals is despicable.

I am a Spartan
only in the way that I respect bugs and I don't piss them off.

I try to live in harmony with LIFE, so I stay away from sources of invasion. Its a numbers game.

The illogic of the anti vaxxer is fascinating. The logic of people who are not microbiologists is woeful.... propaganda is comforting to the ignorant.

[bortycuz]

mmh.. I will leave you wondering on this one LOL

OK lets look at a health problem that is about 70 years old

Many bugs have become resistant to modern antibiotics... TB, Staph, Strep etc

So the magic bullet (antibiotics) has released bugs with the potential to "wipe out human beings" (I don't believe this is possible, but )

To save a few, maybe the whole population is now at risk..or sometime in the future...

Martin, I appreciate your interest, but looking with one eye is unscientific, while attacking individuals is despicable.

I am a Spartan
only in the way that I respect bugs and I don't piss them off.

I try to live in harmony with LIFE, so I stay away from sources of invasion. Its a numbers game.



The logic of people who are not microbiologists is woeful.... propaganda is comforting to the ignorant.

Good I have microbiology qualis.

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

mmh.. I will leave you wondering on this one LOL

OK lets look at a health problem that is about 70 years old

Many bugs have become resistant to modern antibiotics... TB, Staph, Strep etc

So the magic bullet (antibiotics) has released bugs with the potential to "wipe out human beings" (I don't believe this is possible, but )

To save a few, maybe the whole population is now at risk..or sometime in the future...

Martin, I appreciate your interest, but looking with one eye is unscientific, while attacking individuals is despicable.

I am a Spartan
only in the way that I respect bugs and I don't piss them off.

I try to live in harmony with LIFE, so I stay away from sources of invasion. Its a numbers game.



The logic of people who are not microbiologists is woeful.... propaganda is comforting to the ignorant.

What does anti biotic resistant bacteria have to do with vaccines?

You want people to die of whooping cough, smallpox, polio etc, to breed stronger people (even though this would not actually happen)

I guess you are not answering the prion question because you realize you didn't make any sense by bringing it up.

[Pvfcadbh]

Good I have microbiology qualis. Excellent.... open up
maybe you could give a more modern view on tampering with things where our knowledge is but that of a baby

[bortycuz]

Excellent.... open up
maybe you could give a more modern view on tampering with things where our knowledge is but that of a baby

The problem is though our knowledge isn't that of a baby, just because you don't accept it doesn't mean its not true.

[masterso]

The problem is though our knowledge isn't that of a baby, just because you don't accept it doesn't mean its not true.

I reject your premise and in its place offer this grapefruit

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Zarkov,

You don't seem to actually ever make your point.
What does prions have to do with it?
What does anti biotic resistant bacteria have to do with vaccines?
Why do you think it is better to let people and babies die rather than vaccinate (your spartan thing)?
Where in Australia is vaccination forced?

[Pvfcadbh]

What does anti biotic resistant bacteria have to do with vaccines? Sorry.... you have lost the plot..... what does the USA have to do with invading Iraq..... act ---> consequence... in this last example, How many babies/kids/mothers/fathers have died ?

antibiotic ---> consequence
vaccination -----> consequence

I discontinue this conversation.

Bye, take care

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Sorry.... you have lost the plot..... what does the USA have to do with invading Iraq..... act ---> consequence... in this last example, How many babies/kids/mothers/fathers have died ?

antibiotic ---> consequence
vaccination -----> consequence

I discontinue this conversation.

Bye, take care

The consequence of vaccinating for smallpox was we now no longer have smallpox.

The consequence of vaccinating for polio is we now no longer have polio (in most countries)

What does this have to do with anti biotic resistant bacteria or with the USA and Iraq?

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Zarkov you realize the act of NOT vaccinating has a consequence. That being you are of greater risk of disease.

[bortycuz]

Especially at Zarkys age.

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

I still want to know what USA and Iraq has to do with vaccination?

[Pvfcadbh]

act of NOT vaccinating has a consequence depending on the biochemistry... the act of vaccination could also be death

I still want to know what USA and Iraq has to do with vaccination? I refer you to Donald Rumsfeld and unknowns

Who do you TRUST more ? LIFE or earthlings

Martin, as with almost all earthlings.... you'll have a diametrically opposed and irreconcilable personal philosophy to mine

Discussion can not longer be rational, since the cause/source is unknown to you.

I understand this world's prevailing philosophies, but the world will always fail to understand mine

If you would like a discussion re philosophy, you should initiate a thread.

*end*

On Edit
Try
http://www.abcforums.com/showthread....um-Theologicum

[Pvfcadbh]

Unintended consequences may be worse than the original problem.

A long forgotten foe is beginning to re-emerge on pastures and meadows around the world, and farmers are finding that they have no way to combat it. Parasitic worms infecting cows, sheep, goats and horses are becoming resistant to the drugs used to kill them, and if changes are not made in how the few remaining drugs that still work are used, there may be no way left to fight the growing threat, according to Ray Kaplan, a University of Georgia professor in the department of infectious diseases.

Veterinarians and parasitologists advised widespread use of the new drugs as a prophylactic.
Rather than treating only the animals with heavy parasitic infections that were ill, farmers frequently started giving doses to all animals.
"It was like a golden age...

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-07-overuse...tance.html#jCp This is just one of the stories in the REAL world...... understand it or not...all similar actions are related, and the consequences are now very predictable.

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

depending on the biochemistry... the act of vaccination could also be death

in the last decade how many deaths have there been in Australia from vaccines (zero)

How many deaths from pertussis, flu, diptheria,
How many cases of pneumonia or encephilitis from measles or mumps
How many deaths from cervical cancer
How many amputated limbs after meningicocal

.So you are equating a risk so close to zero that it can't be properly calculated with large and real risks of death from vaccine oreventable disease.

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Sorry for the typos, hard to edit on iPad

[AdobeCreativeSuite]

Zarkov

So where is the forced vaccination.

What is this consequence of vaccination. It isn't death.?

[Pvfcadbh]

see
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=g...ient=firefox-a
just as one topical example

I have spoken to many mothers recently..... and all report that to not vaccinate leads to alienation and discrimination.

[shemadagaswer]

the trouble with those mothers is, they are actually relying on everyone else to take the small but genuine risks involved with vaccination, for them to gain the very real benefits.
Wouldn't wish whooping cough on my worst enemy.