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**BundEnhamma** · 01-05-2009, 06:57 AM

Hahaha ... really .. I want to back up Father Moser ... he is absolutely right in what he has shared with us and we need to take heed and listen.

No one should end up with a monastic elder unless he has approached his own parish priest or local priest and received the blessing to do so in the first instance ...

So ultimately it does come down to hierarchy and also we are not a position to condemn or judge those who are in the hierarchy. We are only concerned with their position and the role that they play rather than whether they are spiritually perfect, saints or sinners - that is between them and God.

The Church is very formal about structure and there is Scriptural evidence for this too ... the problems do not lie in the hierarchy but with us - who can not accept IN HUMILITY those who God ordains and the structure God himself has placed ... I am guilty of this but at least I am strong enough to point out that I see how wrong we are in wanting to change this structure because it doestn make sence to us.

Saint Nektarios is the best example of this argument ... I always refer to his life story ... the humility he displays towards the Church is second to none ... even though they were truly lacking spiritual responsibility towards him ... he still obeyed everything they asked of him and did nothing out of his own will - just because it appeared better.

The true Christian fight (and Im still struggling to achieve this) is to be able to find God in the middle of hell not in the middle of heaven :-) it is not who you know that makes you worthy of God's Mercy but it is your struggle and your humility .... your spiritual father could be the biggest sinner in the world but if your struggles in Christ are sincere and worthy ... then you can become a saint contrast this with a holy spiritual father ... if you do not struggle in obedience and humility you wont become a saint just because he might be!! :-)

01-05-2009, 06:57 AM	#24
BundEnhamma Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 448 Senior Member	Hahaha ... really .. I want to back up Father Moser ... he is absolutely right in what he has shared with us and we need to take heed and listen. No one should end up with a monastic elder unless he has approached his own parish priest or local priest and received the blessing to do so in the first instance ... So ultimately it does come down to hierarchy and also we are not a position to condemn or judge those who are in the hierarchy. We are only concerned with their position and the role that they play rather than whether they are spiritually perfect, saints or sinners - that is between them and God. The Church is very formal about structure and there is Scriptural evidence for this too ... the problems do not lie in the hierarchy but with us - who can not accept IN HUMILITY those who God ordains and the structure God himself has placed ... I am guilty of this but at least I am strong enough to point out that I see how wrong we are in wanting to change this structure because it doestn make sence to us. Saint Nektarios is the best example of this argument ... I always refer to his life story ... the humility he displays towards the Church is second to none ... even though they were truly lacking spiritual responsibility towards him ... he still obeyed everything they asked of him and did nothing out of his own will - just because it appeared better. The true Christian fight (and Im still struggling to achieve this) is to be able to find God in the middle of hell not in the middle of heaven :-) it is not who you know that makes you worthy of God's Mercy but it is your struggle and your humility .... your spiritual father could be the biggest sinner in the world but if your struggles in Christ are sincere and worthy ... then you can become a saint contrast this with a holy spiritual father ... if you do not struggle in obedience and humility you wont become a saint just because he might be!! :-)
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