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**SarSerceSaice** · 01-16-2009, 11:03 PM

I must be honest, I'm suprised at the wording of Max there, 'if he had admitted' implies he lied.

That however is Max's opinion, and wouldn't take it for fact. Notice he does state in same interview that he had no idea whether or not Dennis deliberately concealled anything.

So whilst I remember we've debated this in length, and I've come to have an approach of we'll have to agree to disagree - I personally don't believed he ever lied.

With regards to the statement of he had biggest fine in history of FIA, as if to suggest its worst crime in history of any FIA regulated motorsport, it should be noted that this large fine was only dished out because of the size of McLaren. As Max says in same interview - "Had we to deal with one of the smaller teams, the fine would have been lower."

15 September 2007

Max Mosley explained: "In the morning of the Hungarian Grand Prix, Ron rang me and he said, 'I've just had Alonso in the motorhome and he says he's got information and he's threatening to give it to the Federation'. So I said, 'What did you say Ron?'. He said, 'I said, go on and hand it over'.

"I said, 'Ron, you said exactly the right thing'. And then Ron said, 'But there isn't any information'. So I said, 'So it's an empty threat?'. And he replied, 'Yes, a completely empty threat. There's no information, there's nothing to come out; I can assure you that if there was something, Max, I would have told you'.

"Now this was a week after looking me in the eye in the World Council and telling me there was absolutely nothing wrong and everybody had done exactly as they should do, so I believed him. I've known Ron for 40 years; it's very difficult for me, when somebody I've known for 40 years looks me in the eye and says, 'Max, I'm telling the truth with complete sincerity' - you believe him.

"It was only when I got the list from the Italian police (showing) 323 SMS phone calls going over a three-month period between Coughlan and Stepney, (that I concluded) there had to be more to this. You don't get 300 messages arranging a visit to Honda. This is something serious. At which point, I sat down and wrote the letter to the drivers (asking for their evidence), and the rest is history.''

Ron Dennis though insisted that he acted with total integrity throughout the whole affair. "I don't want to get into the detail, but I do want to address one thing, and that is that when someone asks me a question - and I've answered some difficult questions - at the time I made those answers I told the complete truth,'' Dennis said. "At the point of the first hearing, when I was asked the question did I know anything more, the truth was, I didn't.

"The emails that passed between our drivers were as big a surprise to me when I heard, as anyone else - and as I said, if they existed, what I said to Fernando was that he must give them to the FIA. I just want to be very clear that at no stage did I ever say any lie to anybody. I put my integrity above everything. I just want to be very clear about that particular point.'' Of all the rubbish going around, I think Ron told the truth and was unaware that this had gone beyond Stepney / Couglan as Max later admitted.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...d-to-the-wmsc/

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SarSerceSaice Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 486 Senior Member	I must be honest, I'm suprised at the wording of Max there, 'if he had admitted' implies he lied. That however is Max's opinion, and wouldn't take it for fact. Notice he does state in same interview that he had no idea whether or not Dennis deliberately concealled anything. So whilst I remember we've debated this in length, and I've come to have an approach of we'll have to agree to disagree - I personally don't believed he ever lied. With regards to the statement of he had biggest fine in history of FIA, as if to suggest its worst crime in history of any FIA regulated motorsport, it should be noted that this large fine was only dished out because of the size of McLaren. As Max says in same interview - "Had we to deal with one of the smaller teams, the fine would have been lower." 15 September 2007 Max Mosley explained: "In the morning of the Hungarian Grand Prix, Ron rang me and he said, 'I've just had Alonso in the motorhome and he says he's got information and he's threatening to give it to the Federation'. So I said, 'What did you say Ron?'. He said, 'I said, go on and hand it over'. "I said, 'Ron, you said exactly the right thing'. And then Ron said, 'But there isn't any information'. So I said, 'So it's an empty threat?'. And he replied, 'Yes, a completely empty threat. There's no information, there's nothing to come out; I can assure you that if there was something, Max, I would have told you'. "Now this was a week after looking me in the eye in the World Council and telling me there was absolutely nothing wrong and everybody had done exactly as they should do, so I believed him. I've known Ron for 40 years; it's very difficult for me, when somebody I've known for 40 years looks me in the eye and says, 'Max, I'm telling the truth with complete sincerity' - you believe him. "It was only when I got the list from the Italian police (showing) 323 SMS phone calls going over a three-month period between Coughlan and Stepney, (that I concluded) there had to be more to this. You don't get 300 messages arranging a visit to Honda. This is something serious. At which point, I sat down and wrote the letter to the drivers (asking for their evidence), and the rest is history.'' Ron Dennis though insisted that he acted with total integrity throughout the whole affair. "I don't want to get into the detail, but I do want to address one thing, and that is that when someone asks me a question - and I've answered some difficult questions - at the time I made those answers I told the complete truth,'' Dennis said. "At the point of the first hearing, when I was asked the question did I know anything more, the truth was, I didn't. "The emails that passed between our drivers were as big a surprise to me when I heard, as anyone else - and as I said, if they existed, what I said to Fernando was that he must give them to the FIA. I just want to be very clear that at no stage did I ever say any lie to anybody. I put my integrity above everything. I just want to be very clear about that particular point.'' Of all the rubbish going around, I think Ron told the truth and was unaware that this had gone beyond Stepney / Couglan as Max later admitted. http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...d-to-the-wmsc/
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