/snip I want my dog to work for me because she enjoys working for me, not because I'm making her work for me. I guess it's about the kind of relationship you want with your dog- do you want to be a team, or do you want to be a master with a servent? The key here is, once you create that team bond, there's no need to force yourself into the role of 'master of the universe', your dog already thinks you are. I like when my dog accomplishes something and looks at me like "YAY look at what I did, you showed me how to do it and I did it right and you're happy so I'm happy and this is awesome!" You don't get that with force training. And to me, without that, whatever training I'm doing isn't worth it.